Most commentators have assumed that the Conservatives would always vote in favour of anything that resembled a benefits cut. But there now seems to be a possibility that the Tories are planning to support Labour rebels and vote against Labour’s Green Paper.

On 18 May, Conservative MP Helen Whately told the Standard: “Labour’s plans dodge the difficult decisions on welfare, leave more people out of work than they put in and will hit some of the nation’s poorest people.

“The sickness benefits bill is spiralling out of control and these rushed reforms will make things worse, not better.

“These plans are cruel, careless and clumsy. And it seems that even some of the people closest to Reeves agree with us, not her.”

What makes this total condemnation of the Green Paper particularly noteworthy is that Whately is the Conservative shadow secretary for work and pensions.  It seems unlikely that she would have been so outspoken in her criticism without party approval.

It is clear that the rebellion on Labour’s back benches has been growing in the two months since the Green Paper was published.

On 1 April, the Labour List website published the names of 27 MPs who said they would rebel against the government and 15 more who had expressed opposition to the Green Paper.

On 8 May, 42 Labour MPs wrote to the prime minister to say the cuts were impossible to support.

On 15 May, ITV reported that 50 Labour MPs were set to rebel, including the 42 who had signed the original letter.  100 MPs had also signed a private letter to Starmer urging the government to delay the changes and rethink its proposals. At least 6 MPs signed both letters.

Which suggests that somewhere in the region of 130 Labour MPs oppose the cuts, though there is no suggestion they would all vote against them.

The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels.  These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. 

The idea will be to tell rebel MPs that the government doesn’t have the cash help these groups and also to drop its Green Paper cuts.

Whether this is a pitch that will work, remains to be seen.

But there seems to be at least a possibility that the Conservatives are now positioning themselves to take advantage of Labour’s disarray.

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    · 4 hours ago
    Rachel Reeves has said today that she is listening to MPs concerns. She is considering reinstating the wfa for pensioners and scrapping the 2 child benefit cap. It's reported she may do both in order to get MPs to vote for the reforms to disability/sickness benefits.
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    · 4 hours ago
    There's going to be a big death toll because if these PIP Cuts ,so maybe from a selfish point of view the Tories might try to exonerate themselves by voting against it ,even though they know the legislation will pass.
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    · 6 hours ago
    Cons desperate in need of voters for the next GE.
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    · 6 hours ago
    SLB, How is it going on the X front?
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    · 7 hours ago
    IS the ss budget not ringfenced.?
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      · 3 hours ago
      @C No not ring fenced it's not like national security.
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    · 7 hours ago
    It's plausible but not likely to happen. That said, the Tories seem to be opposing everything Labour does no matter how stupid the position is, and voting against the Green Paper is not a stupid position at all, rather it could be a strategic move (read: lie) to make the Tories appear more compassionate than Labour on their highly unpopular proposals.
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    · 8 hours ago
    I just want to confirm that my X post with the disability benefits explainer has now tagged/mentioned 300 Labour MPs.   I confess I've learned a lot from it with regards to reaching people with social media posts. I posted the first two posts (50 MPs tagged in each) yesterday lunch, and it got 350 views.  I posted the third post at 4pm, and it has 10,000 views and 350 reposts.  Timing is everything, it seems!
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      · 4 hours ago
      @SLB Thank you for all your hard work 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @SLB Amazing!!
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    · 10 hours ago
    Even if you're not a carer and/or don't have a carer, signing this letter still raises the issue of the PIP 4 point rule and UC health element cut. PLEASE SIGN! At the moment there are only 1600+ signatures. Email it to your MP as well if you can. 

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      · 5 hours ago
      @gingin I have just signed that letter to the prime minister 
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      · 8 hours ago
      @gingin Yes, please please sign, share, do whatever it takes, this is so important to us carers. Thanks gingin for bringing it to our attention. 
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    · 12 hours ago
    I'll be happy enough if the Tories do vote against the PIP cuts but let's face it, they won't be acting on some worthy principle. It will simply be to undermine Labour for their own benefit. The Tories were quite happy to propose a voucher system for goodness sake, so their vote would just be a fine example of the duplicitous, two-faced hypocrisy that pervades all politics.

    Still, a win is a win, however achieved!
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    · 12 hours ago
    Yes we know that the Tories would have brought in more tougher rules and cuts regarding the welfare bill if they had still been in power, but this bit of news is welcome, we need every mp to vote against these proposals as many as we can get, regardless if they want to use it for political gain. 
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      · 7 hours ago
      @Ann Why didn't the Tory's bring in more welfare cuts when they were in power for 14 years
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      · 9 hours ago
      @Ann @Ann oh yes the tories I remember them now with the dla to pip saga the esa wrag cuts the shambles of universal credit the bedroom tax the 2 child limits the list goes on and on if they want to help then that’s fine like you just said just shows how 2 faced they all are 
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    · 12 hours ago
    I bet any money these so called 'concessions' won't actually benefit us sick and disabled in the slightest. Forget concessions, we need a full stop to all of these reforms! How does a "concession" of giving the one off winter fuel payment to the elderly benefit me as a middle aged disabled person who is about to lose my entire income, it doesn't benefit me at all!
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    · 15 hours ago
    "The labour leadership are said to be considering a number of ways to buy off the rebels. These include changes to the winter fuel payment means-test, changes to the two child limit or changes to the benefits cap. " So in other words they won't budge on letting us keep our disability benefits and thus the sick and disabled are being thrown under the bus yet again regardless?! I am furious.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Dpb999 Exactly what I said they would do some weeks ago.  I knew this would be their plan to placate just enough.
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Dpb999
      "" - So in other words they won't budge on letting us keep our disability benefits and thus the sick and disabled are being thrown under the bus yet again regardless?! I am furious."

      It sounds as though they're going to give some ground on the WFA in the hope that this will buy off MPs opposed to the disability cuts so the latter get through. That doesn't mean it will work. If the Tories vote against the cuts and the Labour rebellion is big enough - and it does seem to have been growing over the last couple of months - then they may have to budge, whether they like it or not.
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    · 21 hours ago
    I think the easiest way to explain this to those who seem surprised or disbelieving that the Tories could oppose these plans is simple: they want votes. Particularly from pensioners who are going to be dealt a double blow from the WFA being means-tested and the uncertainty as to whether or not they'll have their PIP cut too under these new rules and may feel inclined to turn to Reform.

    Remember how Timms, Kendall and Starmer openly criticised benefit cuts when they were in the opposition and therefore wanted votes? It's the exact same situation here.

    Or perhaps - in the pettiest terms - the Tories just want to see Labour lose out on what is being perceived as a major vote so they can call Starmer out on his weakness and his inability to "keep their house in order". And if the disabled have to be used as a means to an end, so be it.

    Obviously, I'm no fan of the Tories but - at the same time - what I wouldn't give to see Starmer, Reeves, Timms and Kendall lose out on this vote and be pictured by the press walking about with hangdog looks that clearly read "wow, as if I have to go away and redo my homework on why some of the most vulnerable of society should be rendered even more worse off!". 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Dez
      "Or perhaps - in the pettiest terms - the Tories just want to see Labour lose out on what is being perceived as a major vote so they can call Starmer out on his weakness and his inability to "keep their house in order". And if the disabled have to be used as a means to an end, so be it."

      That's certainly part of it. I would think it's also partly because these cuts have not proven to be as popular with the public as right wingers probably assumed they would be. While the WFA cut is the most unpopular measure and has had the biggest cut through, with a public rating of about -80, the polling I saw on disability cuts had public opinion on about -40. That's still significantly unpopular, and that's before the cuts have even been voted on, let alone implemented.

      There's also the point that if the government does lose the vote - and it could happen, since the Tories voting against together with a Labour rebellion of 100+ MPs could well be enough - then it will be clear that significant cuts to disability benefits will not pass the Commons. In that case Reeves will have to go back to the drawing board and thieve £5billion from somewhere else. Whatever spending cut or tax rise she came up with as an alternative, you can be sure the Tories would eagerly attack it.
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    · 21 hours ago
    Yeah they said they were opposing it at the recent PIP cuts debate. Just scanned through to confirm. Watch it at 1hr 18mins the conservatives guy speaking says so less than a minute of that point.
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    · 22 hours ago
    Just maybe now all this talk today about EU deal perhaps maybe the European human rights will help get rid of these cruel and inhumane cuts to disabled people I’m hoping a just maybe perhaps that’s why conservatives have now gone against the green paper disaster proposals. Thanks for your time reading my post 
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    · 22 hours ago
    If the Tories do vote against the green paper it will of course be utterly cynical and opportunistic. But we have to take what we can get - and it would certainly increase the chances of the government losing the vote, especially with reports that there are now 100 or more labour MPs who are opposed to this nonsense. If it seriously looks like they might lose, they could either be forced into a total climbdown (here's hoping) or at the very least make some very significant changes.
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    · 23 hours ago
    Commentary in Guardian today:

    Did Starmer’s supporters expect such an agenda – one as gruesomely reactionary as it is bereft of an obvious electoral base of support? Did they believe it would prove so devoid of principle as to allow Farage to dictate the national political conversation before they’d even completed one year in power?

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      · 12 hours ago
      @Gingin Excellent article. Well worth reading
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Gingin Such a good article.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Gingin Sends shivers, doesn't it?
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    · 23 hours ago
    It is right these cuts are ill thought out and not desgined to assist those that may be able to work into work,as the system is just not set up to deliver tailored help, nowhere near it.  It needs to be accepted that some will never work and a consultants evidence should be enough to support that, without endless assessments, trying to trip you up.  And fine if the Conservatives those that choose to vote against these proposals, but yes theirs were abysmal.  I have written to my MP a Tory against their proposals, and again regarding Labours abomination.
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    · 23 hours ago
    With regards the Tories they would vote against labour and with the rebels as it would then lead to a vote of no confidence and renewed elections if the government lost the no confidence vote. That is Real Politicks 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @SLB The few comments I've heard from the Lib Dems have been critical of the cuts, though they should certainly have been a lot more vocal. That said, if even the Tories vote against the cuts, it would be utterly untenable for the Lib Dems not to do the same.
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      · 11 hours ago
      @SLB SLB- Lib Dems are opposed and have written an open letter, as in the email from my MP below. Whether they’ve done enough, I can’t say 

      Thank you for getting in contact with me about the recently announced changes to welfare benefits, including PIP. My Liberal Democrat colleagues are very concerned about this and have written to the Secretary of State, Liz Kendall, raising our concerns directly with her. You can see the letter here: 

      https://x.com/stevedarlingmp/status/1915380540607193341?s=46&t=_UyZuOmiLLIISJwFv1pXEg

      PIP provides vital support for people with various serious conditions – it is a lifeline, not a luxury. According to the Government’s own impact assessment, changes to the Personal Independence Payments assessment will push 300,000 people into poverty, while the cuts to the Universal Credit health top-up will have this effect on 50,000 people.

      It is also not an out-work-benefit, often supporting disabled people to actually enter or stay in work. The Office for Budget Responsibility has said that the government does not have any robust evidence that its plans would lead to a significant increase in employment rates.

      My Liberal Democrats are very worried about the broader impacts of these cuts. There are many benefits prerequisite on receiving PIP, from blue badges to carers allowance. The Government’s own analysis shows 150,000 carers will lose out on their carers allowance or the UC Carer Element due to their proposed cuts.

      Although reforming the disability benefits system is necessary, restricting eligibility and reducing benefit levels will not support people into work. On the contrary, it risks pushing the families who already face the most significant challenges further into poverty.

      We have to bring the welfare bill down and support more people into work. It’s right for people and our economy. But you don’t do that by just slashing support.

      If the Government was serious about cutting welfare spending it would get serious about fixing health and social care and the broken Department of Work and Pensions.

      That is why it has been so disappointing to see the Government’s lack of urgency in this area, putting their social care review on a three-year timeline, kicking projects like new hospitals into the long grass, and still no overhaul of the Department with meaningful co-design and input from disabled people.

      Until that changes, no meaningful drop in the welfare bill will arrive, and the misery that people are suffering will continue. Please be assured that I will do all I can to support my constituents through this extremely worrying time.

      Best wishes,

      Anna
      Anna Sabine MP
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