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MPs are expected to vote on the  Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill tomorrow whilst the secretary of state for work and pensions is unable to explain what will happen to current PIP claimants if they are reassessed after November 2026.

Vicky Foxcroft asked Kendall today (see around 16.10 on parliament tv) , “If claimants request a reassessment because of  worsening health conditions, will they be assessed under the current criteria or the new eligibility criteria?”

Kendall replied,  “As is the case now, people can request reassessment whenever they want.  For existing claimants they will remain under the new rules unless they request a reassessment until November 2026.  From November 2026 onwards, there will be that 4 point minimum.”

Aside from being almost nonsense – how can existing claimants “remain under the new rules” – Kendall’s answer does seem to say that if you are an existing claimant and you request a change of circumstances review after November 2026 your protection from the 4-point rule disappears.  

But the whole point of the protection from the 4-point rule is supposed to be that, if your award is reviewed after November 2026, you will still be under the current rules not the 4-point rule.

In which case, according to Kendall the system will be different depending on whether an existing claimant has a planned award review or a change of circumstances award review.

Whether Kendall got it wrong or this is actually the plan, the degree of confusion – and the lack of written information - just 24 hours before MPs are expected to vote on a bill which will affect millions, is extraordinary and makes a mockery of the entire process.

UPDATE:  the DWP have now apparently confirmed that Liz Kendall "misspoke" and that change of circumstances reviews for current claimants will not involve the 4-point rule after November 2026.  As we said, utter confusion and a mockery of the democratic process.

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    · 1 months ago
    I suggest we now focus on contacting any undecided MPs - we still have time before the vote tomorrow.

    Chi Onwurah, Newcastle Central and West

    https://x.com/ChiOnwurah/status/1939678731749998921
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    · 1 months ago
    Keir Starmer left to sweat as Labour rebels apply heat over benefit cuts.

    Labour MPs line up to demand more changes to planned benefit cuts.

    Keir Starmer is still facing a damaging rebellion after ministers admitted that 150,000 people will still be pushed into poverty by benefits reforms.

    With the prime minister’s authority on the line, his work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall unveiled amended benefits reforms in a bid to persuade Labour backbenchers not to vote down the bill in a crunch vote on Tuesday,

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    · 1 months ago
    Still on sky

    Starmer's welfare reforms breach human rights law, says his old law firm
    The government's proposed changes to how welfare is administered would lead to "very serious breaches" of human rights law, a senior legal expert has said.

    Jamie Burton KC of Doughty Street Chambers, said the reforms would constitute "human rights violations for disabled people", and called the changes "aggressive measures", which are "regressive".

    The criticisms will have an added sting for the prime minister, as they are from the very firm he used to work for.

    Equity, the performing arts and entertainment union, commissioned the legal opinion from the firm, saying the cuts would hurt disabled performers and artists "who already struggle to make ends meet".

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      · 1 months ago
      @Yorkie Bard I was watching earlier when more than one MP asked her if it was going to be compliant with various laws and they got a short shrift reply saying yes.

      I very much doubt that has been looked at in great depth.
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    · 1 months ago
    On Sky soon -Timms (I can't watch it after seeing him sitting next to Mint Cake this afternoon - nodding all the time - like a nodding dog on a very long car journey).

    Politics Hub With Sophy Ridge is live from 7pm.

    Joining us tonight to discuss the government's plans for welfare is the disabilities minister Sir Stephen Timms MP.

    Also joining us are Labour MP Dawn Butler, ex-SNP MP John Nicholson, former Tory education secretary Gillian Keegan.

    Watch and follow live in the Politics Hub.

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-minister-cant-name-any-disability-groups-that-back-reforms-12593360
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    · 1 months ago
    From sky news 

    Starmer's welfare reforms breach human rights law, says his old law firm
    The government's proposed changes to how welfare is administered would lead to "very serious breaches" of human rights law, a senior legal expert has said.
    Jamie Burton KC of Doughty Street Chambers, said the reforms would constitute "human rights violations for disabled people", and called the changes "aggressive measures", which are "regressive".
    The criticisms will have an added sting for the prime minister, as they are from the very firm he used to work for.
    Equity, the performing arts and entertainment union, commissioned the legal opinion from the firm, saying the cuts would hurt disabled performers and artists "who already struggle to make ends meet".
    The damning legal opinion comes from Starmer's old firm
    The damning legal opinion comes from Starmer's old firm
    PA
    What did the legal opinion say?
    Burton's legal assessment said the reforms "inevitably result in very serious breaches of the UK's obligations under the UNCRPD [UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities] and by ICESCR [the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights]".
    He wrote: "They are likely to be condemned by the treaty monitoring bodies, who have become all too familiar with very similar reforms designed to cut the welfare bill and promote work, but which ultimately result in yet further and long-standing human rights violations for disabled people."
    'No doubt' reforms are regressive
    But he also noted the system is already failing disabled people and violates the UK's human rights obligations under international law.
    The changes, therefore, will "exacerbate those violations".
    Burton added that "there can be no doubt" that the reforms are regressive, in human rights terms.
    He said this means the government will have to prove how the welfare changes don't breach human rights law.
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    · 1 months ago
    It is now being  reported that the DWP itself has clarified the  "4   point" PIP issue, that is that this rule will  NOT apply to existing  PIPclaimant's and that Kendall "mis-spoke! " Please seethe following from the Guardin




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      · 1 months ago
      @Mr B My comment should read I would not believe the DWP. it needs to come from Kendall herself.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Mr B I would believe the DWP. It needs to come from Kendall herself.
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    · 1 months ago
    DWP sources have apparently confirmed she misspoke and that the new system shall not apply to existing claimants, even at reassessment. 

    But your last point does stand nonetheless. I get that she's rattled but what on earth was she thinking?
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    · 1 months ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/jun/30/welfare-bill-keir-starmer-liz-kendall-rebels-labour-latest-politics-live-news

    17.58 BST

    DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise
    The Department for Work and Pensions has released a letter that Stephen Timms has sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.

    The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says:

    What has changed?

    As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.

    Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.
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    · 1 months ago
    Kendall lost it long ago.
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    · 1 months ago
    Oh it's a farce! Let's wait and see what happens tomorrow. This government are a joke. Keir starmer, Liz Kendall & Rachel reeves need to go. 
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    · 1 months ago
    What a half baked shambles 
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    · 1 months ago
    complete con trick, because there still having vote tommorow.
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    · 1 months ago
    Think they've corrected her now.


    Again 
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    · 1 months ago
    I’m sure it will be what ever gets most claimants off benefits it’s not about protecting claimants who have disabilities but saving the government money. Same today a reply DLA claimants currently suspended until 2028 but when migrated to PIP will be classed as new claimant so 4 points rule applies!
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    · 1 months ago
    It doesn’t surprise me at all because the ones making decisions usually aren’t doing the actual cases. Oh dear oh dear will they blow it it’s not looking good for Liz 
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    · 1 months ago
    So wil I need to get 4 points on my reassessment in 2028?
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    · 1 months ago
    From sky news 

    Tories to vote against government's welfare reforms
    Kemi Badenoch has confirmed the Conservatives will vote against the government's welfare reforms tomorrow.
    Tory MPs had been sitting on the fence somewhat until now, suggesting they might be willing to back the prime minister as they too believe the benefits bill needs to come down.
    But Badenoch says Labour's plans are "not serious".
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    · 1 months ago
    They're now saying Kendall "mis-spoke". Good to see she's got such a firm grasp of essential detail.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Slb It's one of the most basic questions though. You'd think she get that sort of thing right even if she then "mis-spoke" about something more minor.
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      · 1 months ago
      @tintack I think that's unfair.  She might be many horrible things, but anyone would make a mistake answering questions in that crucible for two hours.  It's been corrected.  That's the main thing. 

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