MPs are expected to vote on the  Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill tomorrow whilst the secretary of state for work and pensions is unable to explain what will happen to current PIP claimants if they are reassessed after November 2026.

Vicky Foxcroft asked Kendall today (see around 16.10 on parliament tv) , “If claimants request a reassessment because of  worsening health conditions, will they be assessed under the current criteria or the new eligibility criteria?”

Kendall replied,  “As is the case now, people can request reassessment whenever they want.  For existing claimants they will remain under the new rules unless they request a reassessment until November 2026.  From November 2026 onwards, there will be that 4 point minimum.”

Aside from being almost nonsense – how can existing claimants “remain under the new rules” – Kendall’s answer does seem to say that if you are an existing claimant and you request a change of circumstances review after November 2026 your protection from the 4-point rule disappears.  

But the whole point of the protection from the 4-point rule is supposed to be that, if your award is reviewed after November 2026, you will still be under the current rules not the 4-point rule.

In which case, according to Kendall the system will be different depending on whether an existing claimant has a planned award review or a change of circumstances award review.

Whether Kendall got it wrong or this is actually the plan, the degree of confusion – and the lack of written information - just 24 hours before MPs are expected to vote on a bill which will affect millions, is extraordinary and makes a mockery of the entire process.

UPDATE:  the DWP have now apparently confirmed that Liz Kendall "misspoke" and that change of circumstances reviews for current claimants will not involve the 4-point rule after November 2026.  As we said, utter confusion and a mockery of the democratic process.

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    · 1 months ago
    I don't think she's done herself any favours with that answer. It confirms that the mantra about existing claimants being protected is not all it appears. For that confirmation to come from Kendall herself on the floor of the Commons is not good for her or the government at all.
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    · 1 months ago
    Ms Whittome, MP for Nottingham East, said: “The Government talks of co-production in the Pip (personal independence payment) review, but it’s not co-production if the Government’s starting point is delivering cuts, and it’s asking disabled people where they would prefer those cuts to be, rather than how can we create a system that truly supports disabled people.

    “Does the Secretary of State not accept that after months of the Government ignoring disabled people, the only way meaningful co-production can take place is by pulling this Bill and going back to the drawing board?”
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    · 1 months ago
    Yes ...a total car crash.
    So much to discuss but I'll pick up on one point or I'd be here forever.
    The Timms review - she stated it would look at all aspects of PIP including descriptors.
    With any changes implemented after the Autumn statement.
    She dodged whether those changes would need to be debated by MPs.
    If I'm reading this right does that mean they could change the descriptors ?
    Without MPs voting ?
    If that's the case then we can guess what the outcome of that review will be.
    If I misunderstood that I welcome members feedback.
    I think it went very badly for the Government but you can never tell until the vote.
    Fingers crossed.
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    · 1 months ago
    BBC Live reporting:

    The Conservatives have just put the pressure on, and confirmed they will vote against the bill tomorrow.
    That’s more than 100 no votes in the bag, and it's now likely to be down to how Labour rebels vote that decides whether the bill passes.

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    · 1 months ago
    Debbie Abrahams is taking notes. she was really angry in a vox pop on radio5 live today. She is a veteran of the work and pensions committee, has seen torys and now labour make a dangerous horlinks of welfare reforms. I think we might end up with the bill falling, for mps are realising how ill thought out these proposals are. a money grab from a desperate chancellor who doesn't want to tax the wealth of the rich if ever there was one. it's not even as if the pain is evened out, pensioners and working age taking a hit, this would be bad enough, but it's all working age, and only disabled people to be hit. have we got a labour party, or did the torys just pass the baton? I asked my mp this in so many words when all this started. Let's hope the new intake find their labour values and tell the right wing of their party to shove the thing in the bin. labour potentially going for a money bill if it gets through vote is just what the torys did too, shameful. let's hope labour's plans get put on a bonfire. It's not as if they've finished rolling out pip migration or UC migration either. they can't even get those right.
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    · 1 months ago
    As I said a little while earlier, the Amendment published on the Commons website today, attached to a letter by Timms, clearly states that current claimants will reviewed under the old eligibility whether that review is planned or through a change of circumstance.  It's likely Kendall misspoke or got tongue-tied. 

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    · 1 months ago
    I think that they will pull the bill after that showing.
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    · 1 months ago
    Kendall also said PIP is not an in work benefit… she has no clue… she is going to create good jobs… from where and Timms left before half way through.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Harli In out in out shake it all about 
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    · 1 months ago
    They either really haven't got a clue what they are doing or, this is deliberate obfuscation and confusion, trying to hide what they are doing, until the vote goes through.  Perhaps it's both.
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    · 1 months ago
    Kendall was asked repeatedly about existing claimants reassessments and was more clear in some latter answers.

    According to what Kendall has said in the Commons.

    Existing PIP claimants will be reassessed under the current descriptor and points system forever. And all passporting they have for other benefits like someone getting carer's allowance for them will remain under the current system.

    New PIP claims from Nov 2026 will be reassessed under the current descriptors and points but with the 4pt PIP rule. Then once implemented the new Timms PIP assessment system with new descriptors and points and a 4pt PIP rule. Timms new system is now due to be finalized by Autumn 2026 and implemented as soon as possible after that.

    Existing PIP claimants with fluctuating health conditions which result in them not being eligible for PIP and then reclaiming PIP will as they have periods where they stop claiming PIP be treated as new claimants. But Timms review may look into and alter this. So they might get protected.

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    · 1 months ago
    I don’t understand any of these  PIP concessions mentioned last Thursday . I thought existing pip claimants were protected from the 4 point rule for life . “ As they said “ now they are saying until Nov 26 . Make up your minds , you are as clear as mud . So many people are relying on this benefit and the government hasn’t got a clue .
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    · 1 months ago
    I couldn't decide if she was wearing the uniform of a dental hygienist or a straightjacket. 
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    · 1 months ago
    Fraudian slip over her intentions 

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