Labour is struggling to contain a rebellion by its own MPs over benefits cuts, the Guardian has reported.

According to a Guardian report on 17 April the government is offering MPs unhappy with the cuts the chance to abstain or even simply miss the vote altogether, without any threat of punishment.

Backbenchers claim there are now 55 MPs prepared to rebel at the vote and another 100 who are still considering their position.

The bill to introduce the 4-point rule for PIP and abolish the WCA was expected to be introduced in May, but has now slipped back to early June, giving campaigners a little more time to organise opposition.

According to a further report in the Guardian on 20 April Labour is trying to buy off rebels by offering money to reduce child poverty just before the vote.

But Labour MP Rachel Maskell, told the Guardian

“You can’t compromise with a trade-off under which you say you will take more children from poor families out of poverty by placing more disabled people into poverty. That simply cannot be right.

“The government really does need to start listening to MPs, civil society and the population at large because there is really widespread opposition to these policies.”

And another Labour MP, Neil Duncan-Jordan, who won his seat with a majority of just 18 votes but who has 5,000 constituents receiving PIP, told the paper “There is not a hierachy of need.  The whole policy is wrong. It goes without saying that if these benefits cuts go through, I will be toast in this seat.”

Duncan-Jordan is also unhappy that MPs are being asked to vote on the changes before they the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) reports on how effective they are likely to be in returning people to the workplace.  The OBR will deal with this issue in its next forecast, due in the Autumn.

More information about the effects of Labour’s policy are being uncovered by campaigners with each passing week. Such as the fact that almost nine out of ten current  PIP standard daily living awards fail the new test or that 77% of all award for arthritis and 62% of cardiovascular disease awards will fail the new test.

The more that Labour MPs can be made aware of these facts, the more they are likely to realise that what the government told them the cuts are about and what they are really about are two very different things.

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    · 10 days ago
    The mp’s not voting or being allowed to abstain are the same as voting for the cuts. They need to be clear either for or against. If everyone who is disabled doesn’t vote for Labour in the May election then they might see sense. 
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      · 10 days ago
      @S123 Yes. Abstaining is tantamount to voting for it.
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    · 10 days ago
    We have to try and delay the introduction of the bill until after the OBR's impact forecast in Autumn. It's nonsense to have a vote before the effects are known (can it be legal, without a proper consultation either?), and we also need to be able to challenge the OBR's forecast if it doesn't comprehend the issues. 

    I seriously believe Starmer, Reeves, Kendall, do not themselves even have any idea what the ramifications of their proposals are. There's no way they've taken on board the adverse consequences losing one benefit has on other financial support in diverse ways for various groups of claimants. They thought they could make a clean and simple cut but we're looking at a totally botched operation which will require endless remedial treatment.

    Best we can do short term is use our vote, if we have the opportunity, in May.
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      · 8 days ago
      @M Did we? Figures released by the DWP showed 300,000 people died under Tories WCA 
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      · 9 days ago
      @Greg. Who knows. Andy burnham has said he doesn’t agree with all this. ( but he’s not an mp right now)
      Kier seems to have alienated almost every group in the country right now. 

      We survived Cameron, May, Johnson, truss, sunak but sunk by starmer. Bit ironic!
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      · 9 days ago
      @Anon Who thinks it is now the beginning of the end of Kier Stammer?
      Me partner Tim last night said “oh goodbye Kier, it was not meant to be”
      America is talking of pulling out of Ukraine and leaving Russia and Ukraine to it.
      America pulls out you can guarantee kier Stammer will throw the UK further in Ukraine and the country has not got the resources to fight Russia + there be talk more money to fight Russia and Rachel Reeves back him and then the back bench Mps will all go nuts. No secret Labour is torn on the Pip cuts and those Mps been asked now to vote to increase spending to save Ukraine. Kier Stammer wont be able to help himself and will want to known as the man who saved Ukraine from Russia. America pulls out of Ukraine war and there is little to stop Russia and this country cant cope and Kier Stammer guarantee will rush with blank cheque. Also Kier Stammer looked like a clown with Supreme court last week when the court ruled on a woman and Kier Stammer thanks the court for clarifying a woman, in the election it was Kier Stammer alone that confused it.
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      · 9 days ago
      @SLB It would also give us more time to make our objections clear, in contrast to the muddle of the proposed legislation 
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      · 10 days ago
      @Frances That could quite easily be their compromise with the back benchers:  "Ok.  We'll delay the vote so you can see the impact assessment."   It would stave of a rebellion FOR NOW.  
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    · 10 days ago
    Let's hope the rebellion gets much bigger to the extent that it makes this all go away.
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    · 10 days ago
    Love how the pm has lauded the late pope:

     "a pope for the poor, the downtrodden and the forgotten. He was close to the realities of human fragility...persecution and poverty"

    Just like you, eh, Keir? Oh, wait...
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      · 8 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 I saw that. What a hypocrite!!
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      · 9 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 Exactly, well said. I hope those words come back to haunt him in the near future.  

      When Stammer utterd those words, I honestly looked at Tom my partner + asked him if I had heard It right.
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      · 9 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 It's like the head of the KKK eulogising Martin Luther King.
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      · 10 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 My jaw dropped reading that.

      He needs calling out on this.
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      · 10 days ago
      @rtbcpart2 I scoffed when I heard him say that. Surprised the words didn't choke him.  Being the opposite and all.
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    · 10 days ago
    Good. I hope it gets much worse. 
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    · 10 days ago
    This news is very encouraging. The more labour MP's who are made aware of the dire consequences of these cruel benefit cuts to the vulnerable in our country, the more hope we have of getting results. We must continue to put pressure on the government any way we can. Hopefully this is the start of a breakthrough we have been waiting for. 
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    · 10 days ago

    Kier Starmer:

    Pope Francis "was a pope for the poor, the downtrodden and the forgotten", Keir Starmer has said.

    “Pope Francis was a pope for the poor, the downtrodden and the forgotten. He was close to the realities of human fragility, meeting Christians around the world facing war, famine, persecution and poverty. Yet he never lost hope of a better world".

    I don't know how he dare, after all that he's doing along with reeves, kendall and the rest of them who support it all.

    I am not religious but the only term that comes to mind is Jesus Christ, are you for real?!

    The complete opposite of you lot then, Kier?
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      · 10 days ago
      @Mick I am flabbergasted that he said that.

      Everybody should call him out for this.
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    · 10 days ago
    I am following a petition against the pip 4 point rule proposal it's  a 40 plus thousand signatures against last time I saw it but hoped it would be more as that's a lot I know people are still signing but hope more will too . It was a change. Org petition .
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    · 10 days ago

    Thank you to Richard Burgon MP and, all other MP's with a moral compass who are voting against these draconian and evil cuts!

    I'd prefer all of the MP's are voting against because they do not agree with any of this, because they see that it is abhorrent, because it is simply wrong and unaccetable, rather than voting to save their own seats and for their own self interest.  Though at this point, anything to stop this and send a message that no party will get away with it, now or in the future.

    Get rid of Starmer, Reeves, Kendall and all the rest of the turncoats who should be in the tory or reform parties, as they certainly are not Labour or what Labour should be.  They are destroying the Labour Party from within.

    Let's have Richard Burgon MP as leader of the Labour party and Prime Minister.
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    · 10 days ago
    Even if their was a u turn and all this never got threw still a chance yet then they would try again another way possibly keeping the universal credit wca and making that harder to pass and limiting health conditions on that in other words a severe disability group 
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      · 8 days ago
      @SLB I think you’re right. They did say something along the lines of, “there will be only ONE disability test, and that’s PIP”.
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      · 10 days ago
      @Jeffrey I think they're more likely to scrap the 4 point rule, or introduce a third lower level of daily living PIP, than keep the WCA.  
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    · 10 days ago
    "Labour is trying to buy off rebels by offering money to reduce child poverty just before the vote."

    These people really are soulless, dead behind the eyes sociopaths.

    They're effectively saying to their own MPs, "so, kids or disabled people in poverty - pick one". How about not impoverishing either? Or recognising that disabled people have children who will be plunged deeper into poverty if the cuts go through? How about acknowledging that lifting kids out of poverty is something you should be doing anyway, not offering it as a sop in the hope your own MPs will allow you to clobber the sick and disabled in return?

    The Labour Party really is run by some truly odious people.  They're not even Tory-lite now - they've gone full-fat Tory, arguably even trying to out-Reform Reform. What a great political strategy: let's try appeasing the hard right, because that always goes well.

     
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      · 3 days ago
      @tintack The labour leadership have proven money is there with the bribe.  Also shown their ideological hand on child vs disabled poverty.
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      · 9 days ago
      @gingin I think it's a different issue entirely, and linked to  the two child limit on benefits.  It's just bribery, bit I find it difficult to think it's going to sway mps. 
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      · 10 days ago
      @tintack “These people really are soulless, dead behind the eyes sociopaths.”

      Excellently put I was looking for a way to describe them this is it thank you 
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      · 10 days ago
      @tintack Well said
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      · 10 days ago
      @tintack Are they offering additional money for families with children under 5 because the main concern being raised by MPs is perhaps children being put into poverty by these proposals? If so, I hope that's not the only concern being raised by MPs. Also, what about older children in disabled households?? Perhaps Labour thinks they can get a job too??
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    · 10 days ago
    Id really like to know what is going to happen with lcwra as i am on this, my review is over by almost 2 years. Having no idea when they will review again or what is happning is almost torture 
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    · 10 days ago
    This is good! Let’s keep up the pressure, wherever we can. This community gives me hope that together we can disrupt these wicked proposals. Let’s aim high - if the goal is to topple them we’ll at least make a dent. Everyone can do something and every bit counts. 
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    · 10 days ago
    The Parliamentary process is working so far - the more time MP's across the Commons have to look at the entire paper and listen to the concerns from others, the more I think this rebellion will grow. Make no mistake that unless the rebellion is gigantic in scale, this paper will still likely go through, but it will go through with many more steps in the process with amendment considerations and so forth. I'm hoping that even if it goes through, which is very likely, it will look nothing like what the Green Paper originally intended, having been watered down or quite possibly having had so much backlash that Labour decide to scrap it entirely to save face. The local elections in May this year will no doubt be a huge blow for Labour across many councils in England, that may also play a factor in Labour's current trajectory of prioritizing cuts over taxing the ultra wealthy.
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    · 10 days ago
    What gets me is that 99.99% of the money the claimants gets goes back into the general society one way or another.
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      · 9 days ago
      @Anon Before the election, it seem to be made out that Rachel reeves was some sort of genius, with vast knowledge, and all the money markets thought she was super competent. I think we have more abilities on this board to be honest! 
      Of all the things to cut, pensioners fuel allowance and help for the disabled ! 
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      · 9 days ago
      @Simon Exactly. As soon as it’s spent they get 20% vat back on most things. The other 80% recycles so on and so forth. I shouldn’t think much is saved, so it’s ideal for growth.
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      · 9 days ago
      @Simon This. This is at a time of practically zero growth, labour is going to help by decreasing the money flow into goods, services and myriad industry leading to more job losses.  

      It defies logic. 
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      · 10 days ago
      @denby Exactly, most benefits money goes straight into the economy and then gets taken back into the treasury in various taxes. Fact.

      A very relevant fact that should be mentioned more often.
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      · 10 days ago
      @Simon Yes, and is this common sense fact ever mentioned in all the hoo-ha? Never!