The DWP have provided details of how many working PIP claimants in every Westminster  constituency and local authority are at risk of losing their PIP daily living award, because of the proposed four point rule.  It is information that is well worth sharing with your constituency MP and local councillors.

The detailed breakdown was provided by DWP disability minister Stephen Timms, in response to written question by Labour rebel MP Yuan Yang.

Information in a downloadable Excel document details the number of employed PIP claimants who do not score any 4-point descriptors as well as those who do.

The information is broken down into:

  • Regions
  • Parliamentary constituency
  • Local authority

The same information is also given for self-employed PIP claimants.

The total number of employed PIP claimants who do not score 4 points for any one activity is 250,210 whilst 178,130 do score 4 points or more in at least one activity.  This makes a total of 428,330 employed PIP claimants.

The figures for self-employed PIP claimants are 50.930 who score fewer than 4 points and 32,380 score 4 points or more.  This makes a total of 83,760 self-employed PIP claimants.

The number of PIP claimants who don’t score 4 points or more for any activity varies widely by constituency.  Liverpool Walton has the highest number, with 970 employed PIP claimants under threat.  The constituency also has 150 self-employed PIP claimants with no 4 point or higher scores.

At the other end of the scale is Bristol Central with 150 PIP claimants with no 4 point or higher scores. 

Many working claimants rely on their PIP daily living component to make work possible by paying for taxis or equipment that they can’t get via access to work, or simply by allowing them to work part-time when they are no longer able to manage full time employment.

So, the proposed PIP four point rule is likely to end up increasing the levels of unemployment amongst disabled claimants, rather than somehow reducing it.

It would definitely be worth readers looking up their own constituency and emailing the results to their MP.

The results for local authorities vary even more widely.  Birmingham has 4,940 employed PIP claimants who have no 4 points or higher scores and 940 self-employed PIP claimants in the same position.

At the other end of the scale, Rutland has 100 PIP claimants who have no 4 points or higher scores and the City of London 10.

Higher unemployment amongst disabled residents in any given local authority will clearly place extra demands on a whole range of services, including housing, health and advice.

Readers who feel able, may want to pass on the figures for their local authority to their local councillors and ask them to share their concerns with MPs in their region.

With the vote in the Commons on the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill scheduled for Tuesday 1 July, every last bit of effort may make a real difference in influencing wavering MPs, especially Labour back benchers coming under enormous pressure from their ministers and whips.

You can read the full question and answer and download the Excel workbook from the attachments section at the bottom this page.

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    · 16 days ago
    But how many disabled who are completely unable to work will it affect. I'm sick of this labour only talking about "working people". Its very discriminatory. 
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    · 16 days ago
    Question, does the new UC rules effect people being moved from the legacy benefits onto UC and does it affect the transition period. Very worried as my husband gets PIP but got the required 8points but only scored 3 in one of the categories, what happens to him, would it be treated as a new claim for UC.
    Writing to my MP is a waste of time still waiting for an answer to te last email sent raising the above question. 
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      · 16 days ago
      @Gillian Me too. I've been granted an extension to claim UC cos im to ill. Im very worried. 
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    · 20 days ago
    All the select committee chairs now voting in favour of the bill according to the Guardian. They say that "the compromise solution would mean the cuts being applied only to new claimants, while those who already get disability payments will continue to do so." 

    But does that only apply to the PIP changes? Or are they still going to make UC Health dependent on getting PIP? Because if that's the case, those of us who currently get UC LCWRA but not PIP will still be thrown to the wolves.
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      · 20 days ago
      @tintack New Claimants from when onwards exactly?!  November 2026 or next week?!

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    · 20 days ago
    I have written to Adam MP in Erewash and really not impressed with his answer; he ignored all the points I raised on my letter, this will lose my vote for him next time, and i suspect many others in my area. his response:


    Dear David,

    Thank you for getting in touch regarding the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill: Second Reading and the proposed amendment from Dame Meg Hillier and other Labour MPs.

    To be clear, I have not signed the amendment, and I will not be supporting it. The reason is straightforward: the amendment would effectively block the entire Bill from proceeding, as it “declines to give a Second Reading.” That would mean halting progress on important and necessary reforms to our welfare system.

    I also want to be clear, up front, that the reforms announced by the Government will not result in any immediate changes to anyone’s benefits. In fact, over 90% of people will be unaffected by these changes. And crucially, over this Parliament, we are increasing the welfare bill by £16 billion. These are reforms, not cuts like those we saw under the Tories when Sir Iain Duncan Smith introduced Universal Credit in 2012.

    Since 2010, government expenditure on welfare benefits has doubled. There is no doubt in my mind that our social security system must be strong, compassionate, and there for people when they truly need it. But the current trajectory is not sustainable. Within just a few years, the cost of our welfare system is projected to exceed the entire budget of the NHS, and that should concern all of us.

    We now see around 1,000 people every week beginning new claims for Personal Independence Payment. One in eight young people are out of work or not in education. And there are around 3 million people of working age who are economically inactive. That situation is simply not sustainable. It’s not fair on the taxpayer, and it’s not fair on individuals who are being left behind in a system that traps too many in long-term dependency.

    I believe this Bill represents a serious and responsible approach to welfare reform, one that seeks to build a fair, effective, and financially sustainable system. I will be voting in favour of the Bill at Second Reading, backing the government, and supporting its passage through Parliament.

    Without reform, we risk a future where the entire system collapses and we lose the safety net that millions rely on. That future terrifies me.

    Thank you again for taking the time to write to me.

    Best wishes,
    Adam
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      · 16 days ago
      @DCB I just posted this on another thread on this board. I had a completely different reaction to the one you got.

      I sent my MP a long email yesterday outlining the misinformation the Government are giving out regarding this proposed bill. I explained that rather than the 200,000 the Government claims will be affected a FOI had revealed that in fact across the two levels of daily living award the figures were more than 6.5 times as much at 1,320,000 who would not meet the 4 point criteria. I apologised for bothering him again so soon as we had recently corresponded on the Assisted Dying Bill.

      This morning I got an extremely long email in response. Firstly he told me not to apologise for contacting him as it was important for him to know what his constituents' views are. He then explained in full why he would be voting against the bill, no matter what 'concessions' were offered. He appeared to have a very indepth knowledge as to what disabled/chronically sick people have to cope with and for the first time ever corresponding with an MP I felt listened to and that he cared. In fact, it was so nice to hear someone respond to me like a human being who cared what my life was like that I couldn't get through it in one reading as it brought me to tears. He wasn't a Labour MP. I do feel that I have someone in my corner if push comes to shove who will listen to me.

      I pray that enough MPs are not falling for the bull that Kendal is spouting and that this bill doesn't get through this second reading, because if it does it's a foregone conclusion it will be passed. And we all thought the Tories were the party to avoid when it came to the DWP!

      My MP is Dr. Danny Chambers LibDem
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      · 20 days ago
      @DCB A copy and paste reply if ever I saw one.  "I believe this Bill represents a serious and responsible approach to welfare reform," dear god. Impoverishing the poorest people in the country is now "serious and responsible".
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    · 20 days ago
    Adam Thompson MP (Labour) Erewash, is supporting the bill and seemed to ignore the points raised; he just lost my vote.
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      · 20 days ago
      @DCB I just contacted him regarding this.
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    · 20 days ago
    Please someone send this to Barry Gardiner because his name is not on the amendment letter despite saying he votes against the bill. His region is Brent. 
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    · 20 days ago
    Ed Davey today in parliament (reported by BBC):

    Earlier this morning the Liberal Democrats issued a statement calling for the vote on the welfare bill to be postponed. It included this statement from Davey saying:

    The government needs to pull this bill and go back to the drawing board. Even the prime minister’s own backbenchers can see the damage these cuts will do by leaving some of the most vulnerable without support and putting thousands of unpaid carers in impossible situations.
    The Conservatives made a complete mess of our welfare system, but the way to bring the benefits bill down is not through cutting support for disabled people and those who care for them. It is by tackling the crisis in our NHS and social care, to get millions of people off waiting lists and back to work.

    Family carers do tremendous work in often the most challenging of circumstances, taking huge pressures off our health services and helping loved ones. Taking support away from our nation’s carers is the worst kind of false economy

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      · 16 days ago
      @John I get your distrust. I felt exactly the same way, but my MP, also a LibDem has sent me a very long email explaining why the Libs won't be voting for this bill.
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      · 16 days ago
      @John Was gonna say the exact same thing. Well said Sir! It's like huh, you were just as responsible and in power when they started it, right? Selective memory loss...just like Ed Davey's active participation in his government's Horizon cover up
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Ed Davey has hit the nail on the head with what he said in my opinion
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Ed Dayey talks like no one remembers what the Coalition government that he was a minister in did in regards to disability benefits. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Well said Ed! 
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    · 20 days ago
    https://youtube.com/shorts/nI093x5K8l4?si=rk72aIGUPu-RUafO

    Senator Warren summing up a very similar situation in the States! 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Ilo If you wish to learn more about the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation look at their main web site and see how wide and far they operate in funding grants to a variety of organisation promoting their political views

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      · 20 days ago
      @Ilo Not surprised the ISJ influences our politicians by inviting them to read their papers, and attend conferences where they are seen as experts (Which they are not) in social justice issues and in turn are linked to several academic and political movements here in the UK. This is a very right wing group promoted and funded by some of the most right wing groups in America and they are centred in the Mid West in Milwaukee Wisconsin and have very deep roots and tentacles. The Bradley foundation is the front organisation for funding groups not only in the US but also across the world to influence American right wing values.  Just follow the money. IDS was first funded by this group when he started the ISJ here in the UK and they also sponsored chairs at various universities to validate their ideas and ideals.  I suspect Liz Kendall attended many of their meetings and conferences as have many politicians from all sides and have been influenced heavily by their thoughts and ideas.  
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      · 20 days ago
      @James IDS has been advising Labour on these cuts. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin It is a right wing republican idea all along hatched by those who are funded by the Bradley Linde Foundation including out Institute of social justice set by IDS
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      · 20 days ago
      @CaroA Yes I was reading this last night- striking similarities 
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    · 20 days ago
    Labour benefit cuts bill: DWP research destroys its basis for them https://share.google/AH2dfWX4ccZZTVZ2M
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    · 20 days ago
    Lib Dems have tables their own Reasoned Amendment about the effects on carers and those they care for. Reported I’m BBC news- Ed Davey spoke about it in parliament today. Wants the bill withdrawn. 
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    · 20 days ago
    Over half will lose daily living PIP in my constituency, I've emailed my MP the details.  
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    · 20 days ago
    Oh I've found it, click at the very bottom of the page, hope this helps others. Thanks
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    · 20 days ago
    I've clicked the link, but only get a spreadsheet page showing the table titles, please anyone how do I then open the one I want?
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      · 20 days ago
      @denby On the bottom left, you will see contents,notes ai, aii aiii etc. click on each one individually
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    · 20 days ago
    Wounder if the MUPPETS would tell the rebellion, if you vote aganst this bill and it fails will cause a leadership contest so will go with a GE, basically if I go(Starmer Lead MUPPET) we all GO!

    Gingin heard your interview and I am sorry to hear about your situation.

    Let's hope and 🙏 we get a good or better outcome from the rebellion 
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    · 20 days ago
    The government claims that those receiving PIP who lose their PIP will be invited to a support conversation. With the aim of providing them with any needed social care support and access to work funding if they are in work to enable them to carry on working. So they move from PIP after 13 weeks onto other support to enable them to carry on working and are not made unable to carry on working due to losing PIP.
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      · 20 days ago
      @MATT No, they won't. They don't want to.

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      · 20 days ago
      @john But still a very large drop in one's standard of living. Are the Govt expecting employers to make up the shortfall? Because believe me, they won't
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    · 20 days ago
    I have had a look at the data and can see that in my Local Authority area, of those 1,260 in employment, 510 have 4 points or more and 750 do not have a 4 point score.

    To be able to get this into context where can I find comparable figures for claimants who are not in work please?

    I note Timms' comment under the table on the answer page

    The number of people currently on PIP who did not score 4 points in one category in their last assessment should not be equated with the number who are likely to lose PIP in future. It’s important to make a clear distinction between the two, not least because we don’t want constituents to be unnecessarily fearful about their situation, when we understand many are already anxious.
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      · 16 days ago
      @Yorkie Bard The final paragraph above from Timms. Of course it should be equated. What a total crock Timms is spouting. Are we meant to believe they would be ploughing ahead with this if more of us would suddenly pass the 4 point rule than did in our last assessment! There's misinformation, and then there's downright lies and that last one from Timms is a corker of a lie! As for them not wanting constituents to be unnecessarily fearful, it's the whole raison d'être of the DWP to make claimants unnecessarily fearful!
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    · 20 days ago
    Notice the comment underneath from Times, we all know the assessors look to the previous report for guidance to points

    "The number of people currently on PIP who did not score 4 points in one category in their last assessment should not be equated with the number who are likely to lose PIP in future. It’s important to make a clear distinction between the two, not least because we don’t want constituents to be unnecessarily fearful about their situation, when we understand many are already anxious. Someone who did not score 4 points in an activity in a previous assessment may well score 4 points in a future assessment as conditions change over time."
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      · 20 days ago
      @Orangeblossom And vice versa...something he clearly doesn't understand about how the DWP works
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      · 20 days ago
      @Orangeblossom He says that now but then he will change the eligability for pip in the future. It's just lies to try and get the vote through. I don't believe a word he says.
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    · 20 days ago
    BBC Radio 5 live currently taking calls if anyone wants to chip in. 
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    · 20 days ago
    I will be interviewed live on BBC Radio Bristol for approx 5 mins between 10.20 and 10.45am today. When they heard we would likely lose £12k per year they jumped on it quick. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin It’s all credit to all who have fought back. Keep fighting. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Well done. I'm going to be interviewed by Pennine Radio on Monday about the cuts. More people should consider doing this. Local radio stations often share content so if you are on in one region it may get aired in another as well.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin 👏👏👏You are the best. Very brave of you. Thank you for all you do. X
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      · 20 days ago
      @Boo Haha! Didn’t notice, I was too busy trembling. It’s a miracle we’re even at the point we are now in this campaign- at the beginning it looked like there was no hope. Look what you’ve all helped achieve!! At the very least this bill will not go through unchanged, I’m confident of that. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Gingin Loved the music played before you went on air, “I believe in miracles” by hot chocolate!

      Let’s hope we have a miracle.
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