The Universal Credit Bill (formerly the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment bill) has been listed for its second reading in the House of  Lords as a money bill.

According to the UK Parliament website, the second reading and all remaining stages of the Universal Credit (Money Bill) will take place on 22 July.

This means that the Lords can suggest amendments, but the Commons can simply ignore them and the bill will become law one month after it completes all its stages in the Lords.

Along with racing through the committee, report and third reading stage of the bill in the Commons in a single session yesterday, this is another tactic by Labour to prevent any scrutiny of legislation that will take money away from hundreds of thousands of future disabled universal credit claimants.

It also makes it even harder to trust that the government will be seriously interested in the views of disabled people when the Timms review begins its work after the summer.  Genuine consultation does not seem to be something that this Labour government can bear to be involved in.

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    · 1 hours ago
    Sorry if I sound daft but the (money Bill) thing is really sneaky why did the conservatives not use this to stop anything being discussed democratically and is this the underhanded way Sir kid starver (love the name)means to change things for the good of the country. You would never believe his previous job he must be used to telling big fat porkies
    I pray they don't use these underhanded tactics to have nothing discussed in the Lords it's a disgrace
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    · 1 hours ago
    Labour will certainly get a good hiding at the next GE.  Just hope the voters don't forget.
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      · 40 minutes ago
      @MrFibro It will be interesting to see what happens to those mps who voted with the government and whose majority is lower than the number of disabled in their constituency.
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    · 2 hours ago
    Why have an house of lords, if the commons can simply ignore them?


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      · 43 minutes ago
      @MrFibro It's day care for the elderly aristocracy.
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    · 2 hours ago
    It is my hope that the MPs who have rebelled will leave and joint the independent alliance and be part of the new party being formed. If they do not leave Starmer will pick them off one by one at his own time and choosing so I would not wait to see what happens but pre-empt him and create a new movement of the progressives while they hold seats in parliament. I hope they wake up to what is coming and move decisively for the good of the people. It will be a strong movement if all happens now and will be a thorn in the side of the parties on the right, labour, conservative and reform and may rally others like the libdems, greens, snp, pliad, UDP and others towards them in an alliance then you can do deals as a coalition if need be to get your progressive ideas formalised. It is time for some real political change that is long overdue in this country. 
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    · 2 hours ago
    there will be skull duggery of epic proportions.
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    · 4 hours ago
    The Universal Credit Bill is Not just a Money Bill,  because it puts the Severe Conditions Criteria into Law, which includes the Unambiguous diagnoses clause ( meaning a Crystal Clear diagnoses with a name ) So that's a Law about Medical Procedures. 
    Further more the NHS cannot always afford to find rare Genetic Mutations which then remain Unlocated for the rest of the Claimants Life, so they have a condition without a Name for Life
    How can a Law Insist upon a Crystal Clear and Named Condition if the NHS cannot afford to do Whole Genome Sequencing with Endless Technicians Hours looking for a needle in a haystack
    SWAN UK say 6000 born every year without a Name         
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    · 4 hours ago
    Kemi badenuff has said that the state should not be where you go to for support. Thanks for giving us a sneaky peek at your deeply disturbing future manifesto. A truly disgusting individual.
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      · 1 hours ago
      @(No) hope
      Yup, she is worse than bad, she is vile, full of skull duggery, as in the words that Tim has used above.  I like this word skull duggery!! Made me smile :-) 
      Glad that we have this site to express ourselves.  No-one else listens to us.  
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    · 5 hours ago
    What happened to the green paper consultation which some of us responded to? 
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      · 48 minutes ago
      @Ann @Ann, hahahahahahahaha. Great question for Sir Stephen.
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    · 5 hours ago
    Can someone tell me . I get UC with LCWRA I've just had text saying my pip application has been successful. Won't know how much I'm getting till I getting till I get letter in two weeks. What I want to know is do I have to let UC know I'm getting pip. Some people say no others say just put message on journal. Does it affect my UC at all.
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      · 15 minutes ago
      @Anna PIP dont send out messages saying you are successful or otherwise.

      They can say a decion has been reached, but they never confirm either way by text message. Ever.
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Anna It won't affect your UC. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    Forgive my ignorance but does this mean all the concessions are now out the window and we are back to the original bill? Does this mean there is no way to change anything or amend it for the better? Are we back to square one? 

    Would someone please explain it in layman's terms? 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Sam But for how long?
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      · 2 hours ago
      @kevin The concessions are locked in.

      Lords can suggest it's a good idea not to push people into poverty and ask for more concessions but the government can (and probably will) ignore them.

      This is bad because it speaks of Sir Kid Starvers intent to plow ahead with what he wants to do without input from others.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @kevin No.  Nothing has changed since yesterday - the bill is currently to reduce the UC health elements for new claimants.  And the Timms PIP review will supposedly work with disabled organisations. 
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      · 5 hours ago
      @kevin Nope, all the agreed amendments, those being the ones the government said like the getting rid of four points and protecting existing claims is all still in there
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      · 6 hours ago
      @kevin "UC and pip Bill" renamed to just "UC Bill".

      4 point rule removed from UC Bill

      Existing claimants protected from LCWRA cuts, including any freezes in amount paid to claimants.

      Only new claimants are affected by changes (2 Tier System) in UC Bill.

      I should just remind you, Once the Timms review is complete (Nov 2026) and debated in parliament, We will need to fight for protection for existing claimants (2 Tier System).

      None of us want a 2 Tier System, but if we do not fight for it in Timms review pip cut, any cuts in pip will also affect existing claimants.

      Migration from legacy benefits = Still not clear.

      House of commons debates = Passed.

      House of Lords debates = No further changes can be made due to bill being a money bill.

      UC Bill turned into law within the month.

      New claimants affected from April 2026.
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    · 7 hours ago
    A question for b & w, if you can help please. Could the Timms review go back on the amendment to remove the 4 point rule for PIP? Also will any changes to PIP be debated and voted on in the house of commons like we've just had with universal credit. I'm worried and confused by it all. Thanks.
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    · 8 hours ago
    Wil the Timms review be debated and voted on in parliament?
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      · 8 minutes ago
      @tintack Yes but you need to be aware of when it's placed before parliament and they are done during Christmas recess and have limited time for scrutiny otherwise they can go through unchallenged that's is why people need to be aware 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @James I don't know where this understanding comes from considering no-one knows what will be recommended, what the govt will move forward with, and what legislation, if any, is required.  

      Someone saying "we're worried it will be secondary legislation" somewhere on the web does not mean it will be.  And the repeating of this kind of thing, with a rather imaginative run-down of sneaky dealings, is scaring the crap out of people.  It's not cool.  

      The Timms terms of reference states clearly primary legislation, secondary legislation, or no new legislation.   We don't know.  They don't know.  No-one knows.  And there's not a damn thing we can do about it until announcements are made next autumn.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 We don't know, because we don't know what changes will ge proposed after the review is wrapped up. The debate and vote will be on the changes put forward by the govt.  But we don't have a clue what that will be at this stage.
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      · 5 hours ago
      @James Given the political damage caused by the current bill, the shambolic and underhand way it's been handled, and Labour rebels persistently complaining about the resulting lack of scrutiny, they would have to be mad to try to sneak the result of the Timms review through without proper scrutiny. If they tried, it would almost certainly trigger another rebellion (this is before we get to the question of the content of the review itself). Even secondary legislation can trigger a vote if MPs object to the proposed changes, and given the events of the last couple of weeks that would be highly likely to happen.
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Cuckoo21 It will be if they are to be secondary legislation which is my understanding it will be. These secondary legislations are of two types called an affirmative one or a negative one and they are usually before parliament sneekly around December time so they do not get seen or voted up. Negative resolutions sneak by and very rarely an affirmative one is placed which requires a vote. This is something to watch out for when the TImms review is completed. I do not find the secondary legislation process to be democratic as they have a way of being sneaked in usually at Christmas time just before recess.
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    · 8 hours ago
    What happens to those of us who are currently on UC/LCWRA only? Are we finished or cus there still hope of avoiding this deadly  chasm? I am absolutely scared stiff and in a near blind panic right now
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Neil Cook You will be fine. All current LCWRA claimants are protected (2 Tier System). All NEW claimants of LCWRA will be affected from April 2026. Once the WCA is abolished in 2028, all NEW claimants of LCWRA will also need to claim pip first.
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Neil Cook For now nothing, if you are reassessed before the timms review then it's just a reassessment with the same rules as ever. It all depends on what happens with the timms review and the merging of pip and wca. Untill then we can breathe. It's not a long term reassurance but when it comes to the DWP short term peace is all you can really ask for
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    · 8 hours ago
    Are you sure ???

    https://bills.parliament.uk/Bills/3988 - Does state Government Bill.

    Universal Credit Bill
    Government Bill
    Originated in the House of Commons, Session 2024-25

    Last updated: 10 July 2025 at 14:38

    However: https://whatson.parliament.uk/event/cal52717 - Universal Credit Bill (Money Bill) - second reading and all remaining stages

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    · 9 hours ago
    First, thank you B&W for this hard work of service to claimants as the Bill has passed from one phase and iteration to its current form. And for the explanations about each part of that process. 

    Also, I'm grateful to members and commentators for rallying to contact MPs with their views and opinions, as well as answering questions from other members and being supportive of what others are experiencing. It's been a very confusing and emotionally rough time for many of us.

    Given the sleight-of-hand tactics on full display as this bill made its way through the process, I had no doubt that this would be listed as a money bill. Because government has demonstrated their aversion to scrutiny, their aversion to debate, and used misdirection to mislead that their intentions of more 'welfare reform' has been about money and not about their false claim of moral directive to raise people out of poverty by giving them the opportunity of work. My own MP is begrudgingly accepting that the bill has now reached a third reading, but displeased that the bill did not reach this stage in its original, more harsh, form. 

    I have no doubt that all of the other proposed cuts will be attempted at a later date, but at the moment we've accomplished something new, seen that we're not voiceless or powerless, and can take on future challenges. So, well done.
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    · 9 hours ago
    Does it still stand that the pip 4 point rule has been scrapped?
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      · 1 hours ago
      @HL You're basically wasting your time.  As 
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    · 9 hours ago
    Crooks 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @The Dogmother Dick Turpin stole from the rich, though.
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Gingin Dick turpin wore a mask, but they do it bare faced. 
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    · 9 hours ago
    It was pretty inevitable after they took out any mentions of different pip qualifications. The bill now only deals with money so easy decision for the speaker. Any sign of the new fully amended bill anywhere? I'd like to read it as it will be put into law
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Sam I guessed Hoyle would have it as a money bill.  
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