Massive changes to personal independence payment (PIP) are being consulted on in the Modernising Support Green Paper to be published by the government today.  Any changes will only be put into law if the Conservatives win the next general election and the green paper is widely seen as an attempt to put pressure on Labour to declare its position on benefits.

The proposed changes are believed to include:

  • Ending PIP assessment for people with the most serious health conditions, including those with terminal illnesses.
  • Changes to current descriptors, especially those relating to aids and appliances.
  • Changes to the qualifying period for eligibility for PIP, to ensure it is only available to people whose condition will be long term.
  • Considering if PIP should only be available to people with a formal diagnosis by a medical expert.
  • One-off grants instead of regular cash payments for some claimants who need adaptations or special equipment.
  • Vouchers instead of cash payments.
  • Reimbursing claimants who provide receipts for the purchase of aids, appliances or services.
  • Providing people with lower extra costs due to their health condition with treatment, rather than regular payments.

The Modernising Support Green Paper will be published later today.

UPDATE: You can read more about the Green Paper and how to take part in the consultation here:  Replace PIP with a catalogue and decide whether food or medication is more important for disabled people - 2024 PIP changes Green Paper

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    CC · 18 hours ago
    I dont know where to start on this, the requirement for a diagnosis means those who lose the NHS lottery will be discriminated against, many people have severe undiagnosed or wrongful diagnosed conditions, the targeting of removing support for those who need adaptations (which includes me) seems a reversal of DLA to PIP changes, ironically any descriptor changes in social security reform always seem to be targeted at the ones that affect me.  But anyway this looks like its about to become a benefit that will only support those with the most extreme conditions who would typically get high rate in both types for 10 years. 
    We can see how they are planning to fund this abolishment of NI for the higher earners.
    This current tory government are perhaps the most right wing I have ever seen in extremist policies, I thought cameron would be hard to outdo, but this lot seem to be doing that.  I am used to a constant stream of social security reform, but the current one's being proposed are like nothing before, if they get what they want then by 2030 there will be no sickness benefit at all in the country and pip will be reduced to a few thousand people.
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    keith · 1 days ago
    not right i could never live with out pip my wife is looking after me all i claim is pip and esa just adout do on that pick on some one els fore a change 
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    Am jones · 8 days ago
    I use my pip to pay for liquid meal replacements as I can not eat solids due to having part of my jaw removed because of cancer 
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      Anon · 8 days ago
      @Am jones I buy ensure liquid meal replacements because I have severe Crohn's disease,  which has narrowed my bowel so much that solid food causes a blockage. They are expensive and I couldn't afford them without pip.
      It's worrying times indeed 
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    Ms. Basset · 8 days ago
    I’ll be filling in the questionnaire.  
    It’s not a bad thing they ask for documentation for proof of disability. 
    In fact I’m shocked you get any PIP without it, let’s be honest, it’s difficult enough if you have the documented proof already. 
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      The dogmother. · 8 days ago
      @Ms. Basset Do not know a single person who has ever got it without proof. 
      So they are chatting nonsense. For want of a better unprintable word.
      The very idea is a joke and it's on them . 
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    Nigel Aston · 8 days ago
    Yet another stressful time for those in need.  I have a spinal cord injury caused by a tumour and radiation.  I’m a wheelchair user, and if it wasn’t for the extra payments I get from pip, I wouldn’t survive.  I’m better off dead and taking my own life, than being a constant drain on society.  Well that what people think.  People look down on me now.  This will create an even more divide between people who can and people who can’t.  No one sees the person with the disability anymore.  It’s like being trampled on in a queue to get to the counter.  I for one won’t live that way anymore.  At least I will be one less person to sponge off the government!!
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      KD · 8 days ago
      @Nigel Aston Nigel, don't let the Tories affect your self worth. I was a single parent in the 90's and you'd think we single handedly crashed the economy and were responsible for all the countries woes. Now it's the turn of the sick and disabled. Ignore the blame culture. You didn't waste billions in the last few years, or give millions away to your mates, like the present government did.
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    Charlie · 8 days ago
    I'm so scared about this. Just saying. And they want us to be scared.
    Time to read the migration guide.
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    Chris W · 11 days ago
    Does anybody know if this will affect existing claimants? Maybe new ones and those who have a review. My last PIP letter ended with ongoing no review
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    A thornton · 11 days ago
    Iv a mobility car iv lost it once as I was reassessed then they gave me the higher rate again just had a new car all the stress took its tole I got in touch with my Mp who said he would do what he could letter came back just wait 18 months of stress and it’s happening again there saying people with mental health might not get help but all this is causing me stress anxiety and my depression is getting worse
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      Lorraine Cookson · 9 days ago
      @A thornton I have heard so many horrifying stories from everyone I know about Capita and their degrading treatment of disabled people and many have to go to tribunal to get pip back when they have been claiming it for years. I had so much stress to get mobility because of the walking more than a metre rule. Everyone who has pip had a real fight to get it. 

      Now after all that they are allowed to just take it away??

      Are we going to see a huge amount of cars going back to the garage ?

      What is this going to look like .

      The government have been paying people cost of living supplements for two years now they are taking away the money that is barely enough if energy prices don’t go up. It’s crazy 

      They say disabled people see it as ‘compensation’ for being disabled.

      £9,000 a year is not compensation it’s a token and yes it helps buy food and dental and the medical help that the nhs doesn’t provide anymore.

      I don’t think anyone realises the impact of your body and brain suddenly not functioning properly anymore until it happens to them.

      There should be a march or something that all disabled people can go on in wheelchairs and with carers and those that support disabled people.

      What about children born with disabilities are they losing their funding too.

      This potential landscape of destroying over 2 million lives of disabled and mentally ill people is the worst thing any government has ever proposed and I don’t think without a radical protest we can stop it with a change of government.

      Is anyone up for standing outside parliament with signs that stop the madness?
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    Anonymous · 11 days ago
    Just look at how badly DFG grants are managed, and the bare minimum of aids and adaptations that are provided. no one knows when they will become disabled and how much it will cost! Many are already trapped in unsuitable, unsustainable housing because there is no alternative. They just have to pay more to stay where they are, and often can’t go out at all.

     If we had a functioning NHS we wouldn’t have to pay extra for dentistry or treatments that involve waiting years for. Our towns and cities are not properly adapted for disabled people. You can imagine where most of these ‘vouchers’ would disappear to, private ‘services’ set up by their cronies! And disabled people would get the equivalent of their shoddy PPE provision in return,  no doubt billions would be unaccounted for and we would be the cash cows, milked to death. Meanwhile disabled people would have to do what amounts to a tax return to justify the cost of their existence.  

    These are basic human needs, UniversaI Credit alone is not enough to survive on, we need PIP to live on as many of us will never be able to work again, much like pensioners cannot. I’d to see all the MP’s receipts for every ‘expense’ they have! Didn’t think so, cuts need to be made from the top down. This is social murder, I would go as far as to say democide if this is allowed. It isn’t about work, or being unemployed -  it should be common sense that some people can never work, so the changes would affect the rest of our lives, there are no miracle cures.  It is about our human rights and it is about time they are held to account, and the public knows this is not a democracy, it is a plutocracy. Anyone can become sick or disabled overnight, we are not all born disabled, even now disability benefits are not enough to live on, being disabled is not  a lifestyle choice. it is part of the human condition….. after they mishandled the pandemic, unsurprisingly more people are disabled now, not just from covid, but all the health conditions that were not managed during that time.  That will be a cost to bear for this whole generation, that’s what happens with pandemics, people don’t just get sick or die, they become disabled as well. Get the tories out!
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    Wendy · 12 days ago
    I am 75 and use my pip for paying for private dental care. The government is supposed to give us nhs dentists but there are none in the area . I have been on a list for 3 years. 
    This idea of vouchers is ludicrous who is going to implant all this ?
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      Anon · 11 days ago
      @Wendy All dentists are private, it is their choice whether to accept NHS patients or not. The Government cannot force dentists to provide NHS care.
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    Chris L · 14 days ago
    Any idea what is going to happen with the motability scheme with these new proposed PIP reforms? Ordered a motability car a few days ago for the first time. Worried now if motability is coming to an end and it all falls through?
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      Lisha · 12 days ago
      @Chris L I done the same my car comes this week tho 
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      Dave Jones · 13 days ago
      @Chris L I’ve asked motability the same question and they told me not to worry and they will work with the government. However I am seriously considering handing my car back.
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    Saima ashmal · 14 days ago
    Not happy this changing 🥲
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    Kevin9320 · 14 days ago
    With Labour endorsing the principle that significant changes to PIP need to be made, we can expect something to happen when they form the next government. Let's all think about this and try not to become too despondent 

    Firstly, Labour had to make some sort of response to the Tories' desperate attempt to win back votes from disaffected supporters - so they have played the usual cards, immigration and benefits. Labour therefore needed to counter this by saying they have PIP plans as well. 

    Thinking back to the DLA to PIP migration, this started around 2013 and still hasn't finished, so what more a brand new, even more complicated and frankly ludicrous set of suggestions? They cannot simply stop PIP payments one fine day and post out vouchers instead because there would be chaos everywhere 

    If changes are to happen, this will involve a gradual evolution to a new system, probably starting with new claims being more closely scrutinised if in the opinion of the DWP they are unworthy of state support in the form of cash payments. Just this alone would take years and many worthy claimants will receive unfair treatment. 

    More serious cases, including B&W supporters on here, will be unlikely to be scrutinised with the same vigour. I would expect ongoing awards to remain ongoing because they have at least stated that those most in need of support will continue to receive it.

    There is already widespread opposition to the package of proposals in the green paper with the 2 main objections being that it is unfair and unworkable. I can think of a few more adjectives, but perhaps not for this forum!
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      CC · 17 hours ago
      @Kevin9320 I also expect existing awards to survive, I am overdue a new one, and now want it to happen, as I am sceptical now the DWP are now deliberately delaying reviews so they can be done under a new system.  My existing aware as extended by 18 months with no review, and the original end date has passed, I am in that extended period with nothing from them at all.  The new expiry date is in 2025, which will be after the election.
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    Lynn Davidson · 15 days ago
    Will the alternatives to cash payments affect everyone, or just certain people?
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    N/A I’m disabled who cares!! · 15 days ago
    The Government planned this for months possibly two budgets away say they helped the most vulnerable by giving a tiny rise (PIP) with their current inflation at that time for April 2024 and all the long with Labour too that they were bluffing the whole country because they the government care for our disabled and vulnerable people. Rubbish!!
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      CC · 17 hours ago
      @N/A I’m disabled who cares!! 100%, its all planned in a short space of time but they drip fed the news months apart.  The disability white paper that we had circa 2 years ago had forecasted 80% drop in sickness and disability spending within 5 years, I remember thinking when I read it something fishy is going on, as they hadnt announced anything that would justify that, but now we know 2 years later how that 80% drop is happening.
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    Christine · 16 days ago
    Extremely unhappy about changes I use my pip for bills and can't pay with vouchers. These changes are aimed at vulnerable people with no way of their opinions at all. I have a long term disability attended all assessments change cannot just be made by a government who do not know what is going on in the real world 
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      CC · 17 hours ago
      @ Christine same here, I have a large shortfall in rent as housing support doesnt cover it, and ESA as a whole isnt enough, so PIP fills the gaps.  To make matters even worse, ESA isnt surviving easier, they going all out on this and abolishing ESA and (most of) PIP within a few years of each other, destroying decades of social security progression within the space of a few years.
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      Dawn · 2 days ago
      @ Christine Well said!! How are we the long term disabled to do our food shopping ?? With vouchers!!! How rediculous…
      Sorry about the spelling
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      Jokay17 · 9 days ago
      @Alison love you must vote its your right. 
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      t · 13 days ago
      @Anon That might be the case but pensioner's on pip are not going to get back to work how will it affect them
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      Alison love · 14 days ago
      @ Christine Understand how you feel I’m 74 have long term illness if I lose pip I lose pension credit as it has a disability premium I wouldn’t get the lower pc because my state pension is to high I would probably lose housing benefit as well this is very worrying time not voting anymore
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    Aaron · 16 days ago
    Not happy to hear this changes I use mine to pay rent and for food and stuff what good is vouches going to do
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      Aaron · 16 days ago
      @Aaron Wish the was a law against them allowing to change disability payments 
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    Lou · 17 days ago
    I use my pip to be able to travel to and from hospital, medical stuff that the NHS can't buy/give me.

    On top of being able to pay for food and clothes cause I been advised not to work due to the many health conditions I have.

    And now the tories are trying their hardest to commit a suicide jump on their party which is always falling apart and turning against each other like hungry wolves.
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      Fa · 16 days ago
      @Lou Just don’t vote conservatives at the next general elections. If you do then it’s going to become law. They can’t sort out the NHS yet they are attacking the poor and disabled. But that’s what this part has always been about. Make the poor poorer and rich richer. To ensure nobody asks questions, just turn people against each other based on race, scaremongering of other countries or setting   Non welfare dependants against those who depend on benefits
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    Alastair · 17 days ago
    The money I get from PIP pays for my dental treatment, sciatica treatment and food. It’s not possible to get my teeth done on the NHS. Hopefully the government will come to their senses and realise as people get older they get long term conditions like cancer, mobility issues and mental illness conditions. They need that wee bit extra to survive. 
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    reasonstobecheerful · 17 days ago
    "Perhaps they are waiting [for] the Tories to bury themselves first"
    I think so, @ Midnight, tearing themselves apart like Rumpelstiltskin in a fit of foot stamping and frustrated rage.

    Ditto, Colin Webb.
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