Many commentors on the Benefits and Work website have expressed confusion about where a series of government concessions since Friday, culminating in yesterdays final hour climbdown, leave them.  We’re not surprised.  As one Labour MP said in the debate “I popped out for a banana earlier on and, when I came back in, things had changed again. “

We’ve done our best to explain how matters currently stand with Labour’s welfare reform shambles.

Pip 4-point rule

Last week the government announced that current claimants would be protected from the PIP 4-point rule in the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.  Instead, it would only affect new claimants from November 2026.

But in virtually the final hour of the debate last night, Timms told the Commons:

"I can announce that we are going to remove the clause five from the bill at committee, that we will move straight to the wider review, sometimes referred to as the Timms review, and only make changes to PIP eligibility, activities and descriptors following that review."

Clause 5 is the 4-point rule.

What this means is that the 4-point rule is being removed entirely from the bill.  It will not apply to any claimants at all, at any time.  There is no PIP 4-point rule for anyone.  

Instead, any changes to PIP will be decided by the Timms review. 

 Universal credit

New universal credit (UC) health element claimants from April 2026 will still see their UC health element almost halved and frozen.

Existing UC LCWRA claimants were already protected in the bill  from the cut to the UC health element and in a further concession they are to be protected from the freeze.

Severe conditions criteria

There have been no changes to the extremely hard to meet severe conditions criteria as a result of last night’s debate.

Everything else

The bill only covers those three issues.  Every other proposal, such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit  and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote.  They will all require separate legislation of their own.

Timms review

The Timms review was not due to report until after the 4-point rule had already started.  Now, any changes to PIP will have to wait until after the Timms review makes its recommendations.

In theory, the review could recommend bringing in the 4-point rule.  In practice that would be extraordinarily politically damaging and also unnecessary.  There are many more ways that Labour can cut eligibility to PIP without using that particular device, which was adopted mainly because it was quick and easy to implement.

The review is very wide ranging and is likely to make considerable changes to the PIP assessment, not least as the new single assessment is intended to be the gateway to the UC health element, if the WCA is scrapped. So the points system may look very different by the time Timms reports.

The review is supposed to be coproduced with disabled people.  But what that means in practice we have yet to see.  Green Paper consultations have been an insulting farce and we know the government is keen to halt the rising cost of PIP. 

We also know that Timms is a zealot when it comes to the idea that cutting people’s benefits will make them more likely to find work.

Plus, the secretary of state, currently Liz Kendall, gets to make the final decision on what changes are brought before parliament after the review reports.

So there are still difficult times ahead.

Was there anything positive about last night’s result?

This depends on your point of view. 

The government got their bill through its first vote and that is undoubtedly a bad thing. 

New disabled claimants of UC from April 2026 will be hit very hard by the cut and freeze to the health element.

And the Timms review could still attempt to impose severe cuts on PIP.

But, disabled people and disability groups took on a government with a majority of 165 and an utter contempt for disabled claimants.  They were forced to fight against a bill that was only published on 18 June and is being rushed through parliament at breakneck speed to try to prevent opposition.

And yet, with everything in their favour, the government have been forced into a series of humiliating concessions.  The centrepiece of the bill, the PIP 4-point rule is gone and with it, almost all the £5 billion in savings that Labour planned to make on the backs of disabled claimants.

In fact, there have been so many changes to the bill that even the name is wrong now – it has nothing to do with personal independence payment anymore.  

So yes, in our view there are some very positive things about last night.  But, unfortunately, that doesn’t mean the fight doesn’t go on and on . . . starting with the third reading of the bill on 9 July.

Correction:  we referred to a government amendment in a previous update, this was in fact an amendment from Steve Darling, Liberal Democrat MP.  Thanks to John for pointing this out. 

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    · 1 months ago
    Still the UC legislation to get through whereby that could be more underhand so for me I am going to be trying to keep up with that!

    Which may be at least equally as challenging as this PIP reform. Or more damaging


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    · 1 months ago
    Video on Torygraph site.
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    · 1 months ago
    One thing that shound never be forgotten is that the Tories did not vote against the bill because they care about disabled people. They voted against it because that nasty piece of work Badenoch wants to hit the disabled even harder.
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    · 1 months ago
    By the look on Reeves face at PMQ's today, she's out of a job, visible tears and shaky bottom lip. No sympathy from me, they should all be sacked!
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      · 1 months ago
      @STOKO Thankfully she'll won't need to rely on anything but good old British Grit and determination to get her through. So long as she pulls herself together and buckles down to it, she'll no doubt find herself a fulfilling new career by the end of the week!

      Probably in the media.


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      · 1 months ago
      @STOKO With Kendall and Timms. If Reeves is out, do we assume Streeting takes over?
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    · 1 months ago
    For those of you who have spent the last months in hell worrying about their families’ future, I recommend a brief course of looking at Rachel Reeves crying with self pity during PMQs today.
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    · 1 months ago
    Think I might as well enjoy my last 3 years then as a disabled person only have autism and after 2028 the mr Timms new medical could be difficult to pass bound to be some kind of conditionality attached like visits to see a work coach as well 
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    · 1 months ago
    The pip changes were to start Nov 26. Will labour still be aiming for that or are we looking at at least 2027 before the changes happen, once the review is completed.

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      · 1 months ago
      @maggie Thisis what I want to know.  If anyone could guess how long it will take to implement the report from the review and pass everything into legislation and then process into reality for pip assessments.
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    · 1 months ago
    Could you put a link to the severe conditions criteria please? 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Ellie They haven't actually defined what they will be yet.
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    · 1 months ago
    He who fights and runs away.... 
    There will now be a short intermission. 
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    · 1 months ago
    It sounds like they will attempt to get it through "via the back door" and the Timms review - so there needs to be a fight against that.   Sounds like a trick to get the bill voted through.  Still disappointed so many labour MP's voted for it.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Hazel I am extremely disappointed with my MP. I won't contact him again as I don't think there is any point.
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    · 1 months ago
    By my understanding everyone is back to the old system which is a good thing i would think.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Pious Thank you for explaining this. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Pious My worry here is that a high majority will be on short term review, mainly as the DWP doesn’t have much understanding of a lot of conditions. For example I’m autistic snd have spinal cord scarring and was only awarded short term as they thought the former would be ‘cured’ by counselling. It’s also possible new applicants before 2026 will only get short awards for this reason. And it will be devastating to these people so I’m grateful B&W are raising it  
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      · 1 months ago
      @Simon Yes, and I feel that Benefits and Work could have—and should have—highlighted this more clearly. Over the past few days, it seems they’ve leaned into scaremongering to drive clicks to their articles, almost rivalling the mainstream press. This approach has only added to the anxiety and distress of their disabled readership. Of all organisations, they should have been more responsible and mindful in their choice of language—especially when expressing purely speculative opinions.

      As things currently stand, any existing claimant will continue to be assessed under the current rules, regardless of when their reassessment for PIP or Universal Credit takes place—even if that’s after November 2026. This includes people like me, whose PIP reassessment is due in 2027. Unless a claimant actively requests to be reassessed under the future ‘Timms rules’ (if and when they are implemented), the original rules under which they were awarded will continue to apply.

      So despite some confusing media coverage—including recent reporting in The Guardian—the position, according to Kendall, is that existing claimants will not be forced onto the new system. They can choose to be reassessed under the Timms framework if they believe it may be more beneficial, but there is no obligation to do so. That’s an important distinction, and it should have been communicated with more care and less sensationalism.

      In effect, if your PIP was awarded in 2025 and is due to end in 2028, you will typically be reassessed around 2027, a year before the award ends. In that case, you would still be assessed under the 2025 rules—regardless of whether the Timms rules have been introduced by then. However, if you feel you’d be better off under the new rules, you can request to be reassessed under them. Otherwise, you will remain under the current (or ‘old’) system by default.

      This presumes a standard medium- or long-term award. It's important not to confuse this with short-term PIP awards of two years or less. In those cases, the process upon cessation is typically to make a full new claim, rather than going through the standard reassessment process. So if your short-term award expires around the time the new rules are introduced, you would be assessed under those new rules—as you would be starting an entirely new claim for PIP. You wouldn’t receive the typical AR1 Personal Independence Payment Award Review form or the AR2 ‘light-touch’ review form used for longer-term awards.
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    · 1 months ago
    Thank you for explaining.
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    · 1 months ago
    Thank  you B&W. I did not think it was the end of the issues and may be something we have to keep a vigil over and fight again when the so called review comes out and if it is to be through regulations (which we can fight in the courts), or through campaigning if it is a primary legislation again. As I have always said I would not trust Starmer, Kendall, or Timms as far as I could throw them
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      · 1 months ago
      @James Me neither, but oh, I could throw them such a looong way.
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    · 1 months ago
    They want be making similar mistakes going forward they are determined to make savings. 
    Hopefully we are now waiting on a couple of reviews to be published this autumn which will feed into the Timms review. 
    However, we are going to be in choppy waters throughout the rest of this parliament and who ever is in government in the next parliament, both Reform & the Conservatives have said they will go harder and deeper to reform the benefit system with their primary focus on reducing how much and who they will pay money to.
    It’s said, but I’m wishing the years away to reach state retirement age and hopefully have a bit of a safety net!
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      · 1 months ago
      @TwistedWitch Don't worry, @TwistedWitch, gutter cleaning is a working age commitment and only for new claimants.

      Joking apart, and I'm serious now, there has been word of scams involving offers to clean gutters. It's the new solar panel/insulate your loft.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Boo I totally understand that. I wished my life away for 6 years waiting to get to 66. I cannot tell you the immense relief when that birthday kicked in. Weirdly though there was also a sense of anti climax. Living on tenterhooks for such a long time plays havoc with your mental health. I'm two years past that stage now and almost at peace with it. But having said that I received a brown envelope of doom last week and my stomach dropped even though I am largely (apart from PIP) out of their clutches. It was from a guttering company wanting to clean my gutters, but the old adrenalin had kicked in the moment I saw it and I thought I was going to faint. Does that fear ever go away totally, only time will tell.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Boo Same here Boo. I'm retirement age in a couple of years. I know exactly what you mean
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      · 1 months ago
      @Boo I feel the same. And scared he’s going to raise the age before I can get to 67
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      · 1 months ago
      @Boo Sorry meant to say it’s sad I’m wishing my lift away to reach state retirement age so hopefully I’m safe.
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    · 1 months ago
    @HL, thanks for your question. I've responded on the previous thread (and given you some homework 😉)
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    · 1 months ago
    Mental health affects the whole wider community not just the people who struggle with it and there families but potentially the wider community, by Hating on it doesn't stop it or make it go away, the view that everyone's depressed and mental illnesses are just like feeling the blues.... which I got told in assessment are insulting, I don't want anyone to walk in my shoes. but sometimes when it's constantly in the media , and misinformation is unhelpful do they never fact check or get held up to scrutinise what they write is true and correct. Disability can happen to anyone, same as mental health and mental illnesses and I don't know anyone who,d want to join that club.

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      · 1 months ago
      @Fiona Whoever told you that, is disgusting and should be reported if it was a benefits assessment.  You should have replied that mental ill health can kill instantly and often does! It can mean being paralysed by your own mind, sometimes unable to move from your bed or sofa for days on end. Some forms of severe depression are untouched by therapy. Unfortunately a lot of people are intimidated by benefits assessors and don't speak of their mental ill health strongly enough to convey what they are going through.
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    · 1 months ago
    i dare say they are huddled around the couldron as we speak stirring the broth i wont hold my breath until next week
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    · 1 months ago
    What will happen next?  Is there any way the UC health element stuff (which I don’t fully understand) will be I made less bad for new claimants or dropped? I will be a new UC claimant despite being on legacy benefits and severely disabled for over twenty years.  This is because, due to complicated circumstances, I could not “migrate” to UC within the time limit.  I’m so ill it’s unlikely I could have any way. There are others whose councils have not even migrated them yet — mine is only just doing so.  
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      · 1 months ago
      @Radionoush I am in exactly the same position despite being on legacy benefits for decades and on both components of PIP, one higher rate.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Radionoush
      Please get CAB involved.
      You may have lost your transitional protection from your legacy benefits due to not migrating within the time limit. CAB can advise and will be of great help.

      They have no intention of changing the plans for UC Health. This is to reduce the amount you receive down to £50 per month, which is less than half what current recipients receive.

      If you can, please claim before the changes come in, or you will be missing out on money for no reason. You would also be going through the new WCA after the changes.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Radionoush As a new UC claimant won't you have to have a new work capability assessment? 
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    · 1 months ago
    It is unclear if the 4 point PIP plan remains just delayed until the new PIP system is introduced after the Timms review. Or is abandoned and replaced with just changing descriptors and points to achieve the 50% reduction in PIP daily living eligibility that the government claims will only result in a 10% reduction due to behavioural changes.

    "We have heard those concerns, and that is why I can announce that we are going to remove clause 5 from the Bill in Committee. We will move straight to the wider review—sometimes referred to as the Timms review—and only make changes to PIP eligibility activities and descriptors following that review. The Government are committed to concluding the review by the autumn of next year."

    "We have listened to the concerns expressed in the debate, specifically about the new four-point threshold being implemented before the outcome of my review. As I have said, we will in fact move straight to my review and make changes to PIP eligibility activities and descriptors only following that review."
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      · 1 months ago
      @Pickle Please don't give them ideas..
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      · 1 months ago
      @john Them changing the descriptors is pretty ominous. My expectation is that they will just remove the ‘prompting’ sections entirely to get the same result
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    · 1 months ago
    Can anyone shed any light or give advice on my current situation. Im on indefinite DLA & I've heard that the DWP have postponed sending out invitations to apply for PIP until April 2028. If this is the case then i would probably lose out on any PIP protection if the rules are changed from November 2026 or before that if Timms & his cronies have anything to do with it. Would you wait & see or would you apply for PIP now? Im sure that there are still quite a few people on here, who are just as undecided as me & any advice/input, would greatly be received as I don't have anyone else i can ask. Thanks in advance.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Nutcracker Same as me ,wondering do I jump ship now and risk losing my high rate mobility dla and claim pip or wait it out 

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