PIP form different to guides?

A few things to add, ask.

First the original title of the thread. I thought I was imagining things I saw 2 completely different formats of form and got confused. I now realise where I was coming from. Take for example "managing treatments" on the application form you fill out before you get the assessment there are just 2 questions; do you need to use an aid or appliance, and do you need help from another person, with tick boxes giving the options of yes, no and sometimes. On the forms I've seen online (and incidentally used for the assessment report) it is called "Managing therapy or monitoring a health condition" and has 6 descriptors and includes times for the activities. So that's that cleared up.

Second, you know I said my wife got guaranteed pension credits for us both, well out of curiosity I went on the gov.uk website and entered our details with the new PIP award and our pension credits have more than doubled. I thought I had made a mistake so I tried again and got the same answer. As a check I entered with my DLA and got the amount we where/are getting. I triple checked with the PIP and got the same answer. I also tried it on entitled-to and got the same result. Can this be correct? As I heard under PIP people were losing the disability premiums, or is that only under UC?

Third, I phoned the DWP again to day to check up on my claim and ask them to resend the decision letter. I mentioned a MR and she said or rather warned me that while I could get an increase in the standard rate I had been awarded I could equally lose it all or have no change. With emphasise on the losing it. In light of the above and because I am only losing a couple of quid (I can allays get a little banger or mobility scooter for around town, and hire a decent car if I need to travel further) in PIP over DLA. I am tempted to accept what I am awarded. There are only 2 caveats. One I'll have to go through all this again in 3 years, the second by accepting the decision am I also admitting that my conditions are not as bad as they are and muddying the waters for when I apply again.

Part of me doesn't want to let the assessor get away with all the untruths (the fact the decision maker did not even agree with her totally sort of does that though). Then it would be so good to just forget about all this for 3 years. As it has been such a drag and I have been driving the family mad with it. I know in the end it's down to me, but the decision has to be based on 2 things. If I get the extra PC and what are the chances of getting an award of nothing. These 2 things I have no idea on. I see on the CAB website it says 60% get more on MR or appeal, does that mean 40% get nothing or stay the same; are they any stats on that?

Thank you that is all for now. Some of these answers may also be of use to others.

Cheers.

I missed one of the descriptors, I thought the Atos person had recommended 6 for the daily living activities. She had actually recommended 4 x 2 and more than 20 but less than 50 for moving around. So 8 and 8, so the decision maker did take her lead. Reading these and other forums it is better than many fare. I got DLA because of my damaged spine, seems the assessor did the same this time

Whoops did not mean to post that. I was going to say that she totally ignored my heart disease and head injuries. I don't know.

I'll have to see what transpires when I get the letter and look into any passported benefits. As you say with 8 each, can't afford to lose anything, and as my wife keeps telling me many don't even get that. As it is all I'll lose is £2.35. You can get cars from other places I guess. I used to sort out my own serving insurance etc. 30 years ago. No reason why I can't again.

You're right there.

I hate the idea of letting her get away with all this, but I think I'll accept the decision this time. As I said they've totally ignored my heart decease and head injuries. It is them that I would be relying on to get those 4 points in both cases. The HPC had decided they made no difference to my care or mobility, so what is to say the decision maker won't do the same.

Then there is the real possibility that they may decide I can do just one of the descriptors without using an aid and there goes my care and all disability premiums. After the initial shock I am actually better off if the car is not taken into account. In this case I think discretion is the better part of valour. I've got 4 (rather than the 3 recommended in the report) years to prepare for it all again (that will be the last chance before I am 65). I'll have all the stuff I done for this to use.

I will however finish my "report", and may send it, along with a transcript of the consultation, copies of the HPCs report and application form, to my MP. Pity there is not a Royal Collage of Paramedics, otherwise I may have been tempted to report to them to.