A government minister has committed themselves to ‘urgently investigating’ alleged assessment tricks used by PIP and WCA assessors after they were raised by MPs at a meeting of the work and pensions committee last week.  We’re asking if you have had a similar experience?

Chloe Smith, minister for disabled people gave the undertaking to investigate after Dr Ben Spencer gave three examples of “covert assessment” raised by claimants at public meetings he had attended.

The first involved missing water cups, Spencer explained:

“One was there was water available at the assessment centre, the water cooler did not have any cups, but one down the corridor did. It was deliberate that the water cooler was broken or cups were not available to see if a person was able to walk beyond the first water cooler to get some water.”

“Another one was that lifts were broken deliberately, seemingly to assess that people were able to use the stairs.”

The third suspected ruse was a pen drop:

 “One person described the assessor dropping a pen in front of them—I think it was a pen or something like that—to see if the person would pick it up as part of a covert assessment effectively of their mobility.”

Spencer asked the minister “Would you commit to urgently investigating this to confirm whether this is indeed an accurate reflection of practices that are going on at the assessments?”

Smith responded:  “Yes, and if I may add on the example of the lift, I am also keen that all of our facilities are properly accessible. It would be unacceptable to have a deliberately broken lift so, yes, we will look into those.”

Of course, all of these may be perfectly innocent.  It may be that the nearest water cooler ran out of cups first, that the lift really was broken and that the assessor genuinely dropped their pen.

The real proof that these were dirty tricks is if they were used in assessment reports where the claimant was supposedly caught out by them.

But anything connected with the DWP is treated with such suspicion by many claimants that innocent explanations are the least likely to be accepted.

Other issues raised by MPS included what was described as the widespread practice whereby  claimants with a “severe visual impairment have to read letters off a chart at their assessment? Do you think that is acceptable? Do you think it builds trust?”

Another complaint was the lack of specialist knowledge displayed by some assessors.  One complaint received by MPS was that:

“The assessment was completed by a nurse that had never heard of my condition. She said she Googled it 5 minutes before seeing me. You cannot understand a complex condition with a 5 min

Google.”

Have you experienced something that you thought was a dirty trick or particularly bad practice at an assessment.  Let us know in the comments below.

You can watch the full committee hearing or read the transcript here.

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    Moira Gallagher · 1 years ago
    My assessor at my PIP assessment wrote down that I worked 7 days a week.  I actually told her that I worked over 7 days a week and the most days I worked in a week where 4 days.  She also noted that over these 7 days I would start work at 10am till 1pm and then go back around 4pm till 7pm.  She also added that I was upbeat and chatty and was a pleasure to talk to when infact I had severe depression and anxiety and was seeing my psychologist on a weekly basis and had been for over a year.  I was also seeing my psychiatrist and was on extreme amounts of medication for my mental health.  I had to go to the tribunal as my mandatory reconsideration appeal failed.  I had been on daily living component for 2 years after I had half my knee removed and it was noted that my knee had now healed after the surgery when infact I was on the waiting list for a full knee replacement.  My representative from the CAB told me that I would not win at the upper tribunal as there was no legal evidence that they had broken the law.  I was in no fit state to fight them myself and I did not apply for the upper tribunal or reapply for PIP.
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    deb · 1 years ago
    I have been granted home assessments at least twice now.  The first one was by a pleasant lady (for ESA/DLA).  I can't remember if she had any medical knowledge or not.  Anyway, she had my completed assessment form scanned into her laptop.  This may have been common practice at the time (approx 3-4 years ago, but she went through the whole of the form, question by question  to see if my answers tied up with what was on the form (my husband fills them out for me as, with permanent head pain/dizziness/inability to concentrate etc, there is no way in the world I could fill them out myself - they are lethal as everyone knows).  It took over 2 hrs to go through the questions, by which time I was almost collapsing - my condition is one that requires a lot of time in a horizontal position!  I had my feet up and was drinking lucozade 😁, but she never asked if I needed a break or anything 🤔.  2 hrs of solid questioning is maybe not in accord with human rights, but it's a long time since I've felt human in any dealings with DWP 🤔.  She then asked me to do some physical activities so she could assess that... I said I'm sorry but I don't have any strength left :(  She didn't force me, thankfully, but I had to make a clear declaration & sign it for her, to say that I had said this 🙈.  She then left.
    A year later, I had to have another assessment (PIP).  To say it was shoddy would be a gross understatement.   Again I had to ask for a home assessment & was eventually granted it.  The 'office' who dealt with it was... Well I don't know what it was, but it was shocking.   The phone was always answered by a very bored sounding guy, simply saying, "Hello" - no name given, no department given, no recorded message,  no answerphone.... in fact he even told me they didn't record any calls.  I wanted permission to record the assessment (which was allowed at the time, but you had to inform them).  He told me he'd have to speak to his boss.  He didn't even put me on hold.  Really bizarre.   He came back and said yes I could but it would have to be on one of their own recording machines.   I said, OK.  A couple of days before the appointment I got a letter saying we were not allowed to record it as they had no machines to spare.  I phoned the 'office' again & told the guy to stop messing us around.   I said, I'll use our own recording equipment, in fact I'll get an extra set so they could have an identical copy.  In the end he agreed to this (so I ordered a load of stuff from argos quickly 🙄).  The day arrived.   A black taxi pulled into the drive.  Out got a man 👨- all this time we had been told it would be a woman by name of... (I can't remember)👩.  So we said, we were told it would definitely be a woman 👩.... "Oh she's off for the day" (I struggle to believe she even existed to be honest).  We asked him where he'd travelled from.  London.  That's approx 120 miles, by taxi,  and the taxi (and driver) sat in the driveway for the whole time.  Why would the DWP waste so many resources 😑😑😑.   He came into the room where we'd set the recording equipment up.  Took one look & said, I've been told it wouldn't be recorded, & looked quite confused 🤔😤.  We said sorry but we've been told multiple times we could record it.   He asked to go outside & phone his boss.  No, we weren't allowed to record it.   Said he could come back another day with the 'right' equipment (have they got any or not? 😡), but he thought it would be best to proceed (how could we disagree 😡 - was it deliberate or not..... 🤔).  All he had was a small pad of paper and a pen.  It was infuriating.   I don't remember much of what he asked but he had no medical knowledge whatsoever,  he was training to be an accountant (or similar).  Questions were designed to catch us out.  Near the end he asked if I was able to cope with personal hygiene; I said I used nursing wipes.   He asked what nursing wipes were - he appeared not to have heard of them before 🤔.  May he never have to use them himself.   I explained to him why I'd got my feet up and was drinking lucozade (!!!!), because it was obvious he'd not even considered it.  He then got chatting nicely with my husband, asked how long we'd lived here, did we own the whole house... (haha - as if...).  Eventually... he went.  Off he went in his black taxi 120 miles back to London 🤓.
    I sent the stuff back to Argos.
    I complained to DWP, & I did actually get a letter of apology of sorts.
    I am not joking when I say I think I'd rather die than go through any more assessments 🥵🥵🥵🤯🤯🤢🤢🤢
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    earthmum · 1 years ago
    At my PIP assessment I had items they were returning to me, accidentally on purpose dropped in front of me, to which I did not react, and I had to walk down a narrow winding corridor with uneven footing to the interview room with them observing me as I went.

    A few years earlier I was faced with the defunct lift and stairs scenario.
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    Richard Burns · 1 years ago
    When I was assessed it involved walking the entire length of the building from waiting area to interview room. This was not an issue for me as I have mental not physical issues, but I pointed out politely to the interviewer that this could well be a little trick on the part of the dwp and she promptly ended the assessment before it had even started. She didn't like having the dirty tricks exposed. 
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    Mike · 1 years ago
    The Liverpool assessment centre has no parking, including disabled parking, within a short walking distance and cameras covering the paths from both directions.
    I might be being paranoid but I wouldn't put it past them to monitor people's ability to walk as they approach the building.
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      deb · 1 years ago
      @Mike They definitely do monitor people's ability to walk as they approach the building,  as I have had that experience.   Funnily enough,  all the disabled parking spaces were full, and so was the rest of the carpark, so my husband had to leave me sitting on  a wall while he went to park the car somewhere else.
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    Andrew · 1 years ago
    To be refused mobility benefit because you can drive is ridiculous - claimants should point out that they use a car as a mobility aid BECAUSE their mobility is limited!
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      B mansell · 1 years ago
      @Andrew I thought it must be a mistake on my wife’s assessment, but it seems all too common, it’s a complete insult.
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      Nanamoo · 1 years ago
      @Andrew I had that is my last assessment in 2020! They put that as a mark against me for being able to drive along with the assessors lie that he'd observed me walking more than 50m. It was a home assessment and my armchair is 4-5m from my front door and all i'd done was answered the door to let him in and then let him out at the end of it, all while holding onto the walls/doors 😡
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      Avalon · 1 years ago
      @Andrew YES!  My husband had a phone assessment and the assessor rang back afterwards about the fact that he had said he drove the car.  We knew instantly from her questioning (eg how long do you drive for?) that this was going to be a problem.  His award level was reduced even though his condition was worse.  Sadly, his comment about needing the car because walking was so difficult and painful was ignored.  
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    Apwin · 1 years ago
    This was a few years ago now and I was granted ,after a huge struggle a home assessment, and had the assessor turn up and tell me she'd already filled out her report and would post it that afternoon.After receiving a copy of it I believed her as it was full of lies and detailed things that had never happened or been said.She had done a full musco skeletal examination.She hadnt.Watched me walking.I'd never moved.I'd let her into the house.I didn't ,my husband did.Apparently I was very happy and not at all nervous or anxious.I really wasn't happy and was both anxious and nervous.I used my hands freely and wasn't in pain.The first is physically impossible and I'm in constant pain.The answers I'd given were twisted to give the impression that I'd said the opposite and much of the report was complete fabrication.On a benefits website there were numerous reports where the same responses were given,obviously a cut and paste technique they must often use.I refused physical examinationwhich she put on the form which was in complete contradiction of the point where she had claimed to do the full music skeletal exam and  had given over a page full of results.These assessments are a jokes are the criteria they are based on with the  intent of depriving people of the benefits they are both entitled to and need.The assessors try to give the impression that they are nice ,friendly and on your side with a clear idea about your conditions and the difficulties you face when they are lying and fabricating reports.
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      Nanamoo · 1 years ago
      @Apwin During my last assessment the assessor told me that not to worry about him not being able to type too fast because he's able to remember what is said and he's had to re-fill in assessment forms on his laptop AFTER the assessments because it had failed to save it! 
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    Neil · 1 years ago
    Assessors always write that I sat for 40-50 mins during the assessment without any issues, highly exaggerating the times and ignoring the fact i was asked to move an examination table half way through thus making the statement a clear lie along with the fact I timed one assessment and it took 25 minutes total so wasn't even in the building that long, another trick is keeping you waiting for upto an hour saying one of the assessors wasn't in, I always arrange to come back in an hour or so at an agreed time.
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      Emma · 8 months ago
      @steve e I was the only person in the waiting room and heard a shout so looked over. This was reported as me being able to pick out my name in a nosy environment. Everything they do is a trick. 
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      steve e · 1 years ago
      @Neil An assessment centre tried the same to me. We followed the instructions to arrive 15 mins early but on arrival we were told that the assessor was running at least 30 mins late.  We responded that we will go and have a coffee to recover after the journey. The receptionist was adamant we had to sit in a specific set of seats and wait.  When I looked up there was a CCTV camera pointing at the seats.
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      SUE C C · 1 years ago
      @Neil Hello Neil
      That's really interesting re timings and an excellent solution to the 'Convenient' assessor delays. Thanks for sharing👍 
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      denby · 1 years ago
      @Neil That's a very useful tip, thanks!

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    Helen Bear · 1 years ago
    I’ve been refused pip despite being bipolar currently undergoing treatment the reason because i work and I drive despite the fact my sister in law takes me into work daily and works alongside me to support me and my partner collects me from work every day 
    apparently this means my mental health doesn’t affect me
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    Ian · 1 years ago
    Every time I had a face to face assessment the lift at the Thornaby north east England was always out of order and was never told I could book a ground floor assessment 
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    joseph fitzharris · 1 years ago
    i was refused my reassessment on the grounds i was asked if i could walk for 1 minute i said that i probably could,when the report came to me it said that i  could walk 40 meters,apparently the government has stated that if you can walk for 1 minutes you will walk 40 meters 
    i got my pip on appeal 
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    B mansell · 1 years ago
    My wife was refused higher rate mobility allowance as she is able to drive an adapted car. She has no useful left side movement or sensation following a stroke which was incorrectly treated for by the NHS 8 years ago. She has tried to find work at local high street stores but is rejected at the job interview for being unable to complete basic tasks yet DWP assessors insist she is not unfit enough to receive higher rate benefits.

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    michael · 1 years ago
    I have experienced the lift broken, broken toilet at the waiting area, the whispering too low to hear. These are all taught, surely, to witness miraculous recoveries in their minds to argue over.  Not had the fire alarm yet to run from danger. I have heard of it, though. All since the old Incapacity benefit time, then to DLA
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      deb · 1 years ago
      @michael And what was wrong with Incapacity Benefit.  You did at least get a fair assessment by qualified doctors.   Why the big need to change the while system?  To save the DWP money?  I think if it was known publicly just how much money had been wasted trying to catch us all out even the fitter general public would be angry.
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    Alex · 1 years ago
    I first made my esa claim in 2019 I had a telephone assessment in 2020 they said they needed a face to face assessment to make a decision I waited and waited and finally last week now 2022 I had a letter for another telephone assessment, what on earth have I been waiting years for? This whole system is extremely judgmental face to face or over the phone my answers are still going to be the same, why did the first assessor say I needed a face to face to decide? To judge me. I have been waiting years for this and in the end it was another telephone assessment. How is this fair? 
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      Moira Gallagher · 1 years ago
      @Alex I am actually in shock reading this and if I was you I would be speaking to a lawyer and also writing to the House of Commons to the appropriate minister.  Surely they have broken the law.  Do you have your Benefits and Work subscription?Also contact your local MP and your local citizens advice.  Don’t let this go on any longer.  Seek help and advice. Good luck.
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    Shanti Haft · 1 years ago
    Since the Work Capability Assessment came in I have accompanied many people to assessments. At one point I had one of my own, out of all of the hundreds of assessments I saw a positive outcome just once where the practitioner seriously queried the level of mediation a chap was on. So many other people have been subjected to bullying, unreasonable waiting times, bollards put in the path of the center so that people could not be dropped off outside, lifts supposedly broken so people had to wait for the only room downstairs, Pip centers in inaccessible buildings with steps and long corridors. There was one center that had a buzzer for entrance the replies could not be heard by people with hearing difficulties, and this also had a strange locked anti-room that would sometimes not unlock, so myself and the claimant would be stuck until someone released you.  Being told by practitioners that medical evidence didn't count and that they were not able to look at it.   
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      Em · 1 years ago
      @Shanti Haft Thanks for posting. I've been to 2 assessments with other people and 4 of my own, so have also witnessed two points of view. It's Always the excessive waiting time, the long corridor, the room at the top of the building where you have to use a lift. This includes at Tribuneral! I'm going to write my own post describing this. 

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    Anne · 1 years ago
    I had my PIP assessment over the phone. I’ve had long covid for over 2 years now. I got a zero score for every question . The nurse interviewing me wasn’t the person who made the decision , so I don’t know who lied about what I said . There were inconsistencies throughout, totally opposite to what I said . My letter arrived 2 weeks into the time period for mandatory whatsname and I was too exhausted to fight it further. I was told I could get help to appeal but I can’t get out. I can’t walk far or drive far, according to my report I occasionally drive to the monkey sanctuary ( that was before I was I’ll) and have no problems with mobility ( despite chronic fatigue and breathlessness ) so it sounded like a fight I couldn’t take part in. I decided to put my energy into recovering . 
    i wish I had the strength and the time to appeal, but you 9th get 4 weeks from the letter , I only had 2 weeks. I’ve no letter of diagnosis as my long covid clinic says long covid hasn’t been recognised yet ! I’ve recently been sent a letter saying I’m having treatment from them , but that’s it.
    I haven’t got a clue if any of 5his makes any sense as I’ve forgotten what I was saying at the beginning.
    my ESA assessment a few weeks later was completely different. It was over the phone with a doctor who had experience with other long covid sufferers . I’ve been put in the support group but it’s still not a lot to live on…the main thing was someone believed me.

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      Daniela · 1 years ago
      @Anne You can appeal a decision up to 13 months from the date the decision was made. It’s called the ‘13 Month Rule’ and is case law. Do not be put off from appealing. You can now request that your appeal at the Tribunal be heard over the telephone or via Microsoft Teams. I am sorry you have had this experience. It’s not acceptable. 
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    Mike · 1 years ago
    My assessor asked me to "trot over to the examination couch and jump up". The couch was about 16" higher than my waist night and I walk with a stick .
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    Cheryl · 1 years ago
    At my first assessment, the venue was in another town. There were no disabled spaces on the car park in front of the assessment building. There were at least a dozen steps up to the building. On arrival I had to prove my identity and address so I showed my driving license. As I was about to walk away to the waiting room a female member of staff came into the reception area and the receptionist said with glee this one's got a driving license. Hence I got no points for mobility.
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      denby · 1 years ago
      @Cheryl And dear readers note, if you show a passport instead of a driving licence you could get asked about foreign holidays on the assumption that means you have no mobility limitations. So be prepared to firmly explain how you get pushed through the airport in a wheelchair etc.
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    Jo · 1 years ago
    Two events in the same assessment by Atos. One was a heavy chair positioned opposite the assessor at such a bizarre angle that if I'd sat in it I would have had severe neck ache, so not realising how heavy it was I pushed it round so it was facing the assessor. This was then commented on in the 'report' I was sent. I also got an assessment twenty miles away and she said I hadn't raised a comment about it. I don't know why I would the train chairs are the comfiest chairs I sit in!

    Outcome: appealed in court and won including back pay.
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    Tony Cross · 1 years ago
    When me wife received a home assessment in 2018, all the assessor did was ask questions and ask her to walk across the living room with her walking aid. Wife was given zero points, which we appealed on receipt of the assessment report the whole thing was a total fabrication of the answers given by my wife. It read as though it was a report for a different person. Also the assessor claimed to have carried out a full musculoskeletal examination, which wasn't done.  The whole thing lead to 2 tribunal hearings and a ten year award of higher level for both care and Mobility.  Had it not been for my dogged determination the wife would have walked away from the whole thing as so many people do.
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      denby · 1 years ago
      @Tony Cross Thank God for your dogged determination. But despite mine they will still not give daughter more than 3 years. So we are now on 4th go since 2014 despite her inherited conditions which are not curable. Assessors/DWP think they know better than GOSH and Addenbrookes hosps!
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