A government minister has committed themselves to ‘urgently investigating’ alleged assessment tricks used by PIP and WCA assessors after they were raised by MPs at a meeting of the work and pensions committee last week.  We’re asking if you have had a similar experience?

Chloe Smith, minister for disabled people gave the undertaking to investigate after Dr Ben Spencer gave three examples of “covert assessment” raised by claimants at public meetings he had attended.

The first involved missing water cups, Spencer explained:

“One was there was water available at the assessment centre, the water cooler did not have any cups, but one down the corridor did. It was deliberate that the water cooler was broken or cups were not available to see if a person was able to walk beyond the first water cooler to get some water.”

“Another one was that lifts were broken deliberately, seemingly to assess that people were able to use the stairs.”

The third suspected ruse was a pen drop:

 “One person described the assessor dropping a pen in front of them—I think it was a pen or something like that—to see if the person would pick it up as part of a covert assessment effectively of their mobility.”

Spencer asked the minister “Would you commit to urgently investigating this to confirm whether this is indeed an accurate reflection of practices that are going on at the assessments?”

Smith responded:  “Yes, and if I may add on the example of the lift, I am also keen that all of our facilities are properly accessible. It would be unacceptable to have a deliberately broken lift so, yes, we will look into those.”

Of course, all of these may be perfectly innocent.  It may be that the nearest water cooler ran out of cups first, that the lift really was broken and that the assessor genuinely dropped their pen.

The real proof that these were dirty tricks is if they were used in assessment reports where the claimant was supposedly caught out by them.

But anything connected with the DWP is treated with such suspicion by many claimants that innocent explanations are the least likely to be accepted.

Other issues raised by MPS included what was described as the widespread practice whereby  claimants with a “severe visual impairment have to read letters off a chart at their assessment? Do you think that is acceptable? Do you think it builds trust?”

Another complaint was the lack of specialist knowledge displayed by some assessors.  One complaint received by MPS was that:

“The assessment was completed by a nurse that had never heard of my condition. She said she Googled it 5 minutes before seeing me. You cannot understand a complex condition with a 5 min

Google.”

Have you experienced something that you thought was a dirty trick or particularly bad practice at an assessment.  Let us know in the comments below.

You can watch the full committee hearing or read the transcript here.

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    Elaine Henty · 1 years ago
    In the assessment room the chair for me to sit on had no arms and was really low.  It was placed next to a desk.

    when I had to get up I had to get hold of the desk so I could get off the chair.

    the assessor failed  me on grip issues saying I had no problem with my hands as I moved  the desk towards me whilst trying to get up from the chair.
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    Blue. · 1 years ago
    My wife and I have had 2 assessments each at Deva City assessment centre in Manchester. All 4 times at reception (2-3 years apart) they've said that the lifts are out of order 'today' and the downstairs rooms are unavailable, can you manage the stairs? 
    Unfortunately you know full well that if you said no, they'd record that as a refusal of assessment. It took me a fair while with the assessor huffing and checking his watch to struggle up those steps. It's despicable, underhanded and cruel (And exactly what we expect from thus government).
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      AKGR · 1 years ago
      @Blue. Oh my that is apauling what they put you through... How disgusting and inhumain towards disability! It's discrimination... I had to walk with a stick, I had a crutch from the hospital but my twins bought me a red one and decorated it with giraffes as I love them... I went along for my face to face assessment and I was denied for having my own crutch and it said I just bought for the effect.. Then it said I walked to my car with my crutch which was at the front and not in the car park as I didn't know the area very well and didn't know there was a car park.. I couldn't sit properly due to a large prolapse and the assessor put that I could sit perfectly fine 😡
      My next one was through pandemic as a telephone Consultation and I got what I was rightly deserved...
      I feel for you with your ordeal... I hope you got there in the end x
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    rainbow · 1 years ago
    This is hearsay, but many years back, when I was a CAB volunteer, we heard the Danial House in Bootle Liverpool, where assessments were carried out by Atos, the lifts didn't work
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    K · 1 years ago
    The assessor kept turning on and off the recording device to only record what he wanted recorded so when I reported I had recorded the session on my mobile I was threatened with to receive no money required for health and safety and I was threatened d with legal action if I made the recordings public. Trust no one especially those that work for government 
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    Chris · 1 years ago
    I witnessed assessors repeatedly  going out of the back door and in through the front to assess people getting in and out of cars a d walking into and out of the building.
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    Rosebud · 1 years ago
    I was assessed over the phone and  recorded the interview. I clearly told the assessor I could not chop and peel at all giving her clear reasons for why it is impossible for me. After the assessment I asked to see the printed record of my assessment. The assessor had written-  I had told her that I could chop and peel and I had no problem with it. If I had been given points for this it would have pushed me into the higher rate. I did not complain as I was afraid of losing the lower rate I had been awarded. 
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      denby · 1 years ago
      @Rosebud Shocking. Robbed by the fear they deliberately generate. So sorry! Moral is always ask for the assessment report [PA4 for phone, PA3 for paper assessment] ASAP and write to challenge that sort of lies before the decision gets taken.
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    Georg · 1 years ago
    Assessor said that if I can lean against my knees with my elbows, I can tie my shoes, totally ignoring my suffering and pain expressions without typing anything related to the system. So I took the component from me and said that I was fine
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    Jen · 1 years ago
    Yes I had wrist support on and they gave me a pint glass of water to drink probably so they could claim I could lift so much at a time I straight away refused the pint glass and asked for a plastic small cup ....getting out of hand the tricks they will try even watching TV or reading shows you have concentration

    In covid times I had to have a pip medical by phone all my illnesses are musculoskeletal conditions I got a X in every box with the explaination of because I have musculoskeletal disorders they couldn't access me so I failed every box and scored zero points till I took it to court  
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    Fiona · 1 years ago
    My assessor dropped her pen and asked me to pick it up. The action was clearly deliberate.
    When she left, she left one of her phones behind, hidden down the side of the sofa.
    I have PTSD and struggle to answer the door to unexpected visitors. She returned to my house 20 minutes later to collect her phone, and began ringing the doorbell to see if I would answer. 
    I was in absolute pieces as I was too frightened to answer the door, and she just knocked and knocked, and kept ringing the bell. I didn't know who it was, and my triggers led me to believe I was going to be attacked again. 
    It's so underhand and sneaky. I was a complete mess for the next few days. 
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    Mark from Windsor · 1 years ago
    On one of my assessments I had a numbing feeling in my left leg and foot which I was having tests for under my GP. The so called health professional at my assement was aware of this and got me to lie on a couch, pull my jeans up and take my socks off. He then asked to close my eyes and tell him if I could feel anything when he ran a piece of paper up my right leg then my left leg. I said yes when he ran it up my right leg but nothing on my left leg. When he sent in his report he said that I had feelings in both legs. This was a blatant lie. When I appealed because obviously I was turned down I mentioned this but was totally ignored.
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    Dave. · 1 years ago
    My wife was asked by an assessor to remove a wrist support this supposedly revealed that her grip was ok ,she was also asked to walk 4 steps and the result was that she was told she had no mobility problems. Asked for a mandatarory  reconsideration and the original ruling was overturned.
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    Jules · 1 years ago
    For a person with mental health conditions, the first question of the interview was "Have you notified DVLA about the condition?"
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      SUE C C · 1 years ago
      @Jules Hello Jules
      Did the assessor explain to you that you only have to notify the DVLA if your 'Mental Health Condition' affects your ability to drive safely?   
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    Loubylou1511 · 1 years ago
    I am so sorry that happened to you! 
    I was equally abused in my own home by a so called GP. 

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    chris dowsett · 1 years ago
    dirty trick is when the assessor ask how did you get there you say Public transport they treat that as  you  can travel unadded and walk moor than 100 meters 
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    Mad cat · 1 years ago
    They do not write down the WHOLE truth only the version which can allow them to decline your application.
    Whilst going through my application as I had to inform them my condition had WORSENED and due to lower leg reconstruction my mobility had severely decreased, the occupational therapist assessor went through my list of medication. One of my medications had a side effect of leg pain. I had 24 pins and a metal frame on my lower leg at the time so with my GP’s help I stopped taking it as my leg hurt and I took pain medication for that. The assessor wrote that I could manage with out it. No further details that I gave her were written down.
     I couldn’t stand to cook, I live alone, I had a stool in the kitchen. She asked me for an example of how I needed the stool. I explained that using towels and oven gloves on my lap I would put the hot pan on my lap to mash potatoes. 
    Assessor only wrote “she can mash potatoes “. 
    I was asked if I was able to ask fora coffee in a cafe. I was confused as yes i can speak. The assessor wrote I was able to socialise. 
    It went on and on, it was fatuous and very distressing.
    She assessed that I wasn’t eligible for any award despite not being able to exit my own front door without help as my ankle doesn’t bend. 
    Mandatory review and yes the person listened to me. I was in floods of tears at this breakthrough. I was awarded a higher amount.
    The initial assessor was hell bent on nobody receiving PIP I truly believe.
    Oh and she asked me if I had a purse, I thought then, this is a trick. 
    Yep, she wrote that I was able to manage my finances unaided. 
    At no time did she write that I couldn’t walk without aids.


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      SUE C C · 1 years ago
      @Mad cat Hello MadCat

      So sorry to hear of your not so unique experience of being penalised by a so called 'Medical/Nursing Professional' for not taking a suitably strong enough dose, in their opinion, of pain medication.  x
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    Gilly · 1 years ago
    Many conditions are never going to get better...just managed with a lot of help. Those are the conditions that should automatically qualify someone for basic rate PIP...with the entitlement to High Rate being the only thing that should need a F2F assessment.  Where I live the assessment centre for F2F consultations is exactly 50 meters from the nearest disabled parking ( my carer measured it with his satnav on his phone).  Once inside everything is on the ground floor but the assessment room has a strongly hinged fire safety door and often the assessor invites you to open it (secretly assessing upper body strength).  A regular comment on my assessments has been that I coped well, showing no signs of distress (do they have xray vision to monitor brain and heart responses?).  None of the assessors to date have sufficiently identified in their report that one condition triggers another (I have multiple health issues) nor do they take into account that there are more bad days (bedridden) than good (able to function with difficulty and support from a carer). None of the assessors I have encountered have taken into consideration that cognitive abilities may appear to be sound, when in fact they are not.  I was once asked how I got to the centre...an obvious question which requires little thought to answer.   The report, when I received my copy, clearly stated that I was aware of my surroundings and  could plan a route even though I had told her that my carer had arranged a time to pick me up, telephoned me 10 minutes before arriving and who drove me there.  
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    Margaret Marshall · 1 years ago
    During my husband's PIP Assessment in 2016 the fire alarm went off and everyone had to be evacuated, according to our 2 children in the waiting room this was done deliberately and we think it was because his assessment was taking too long as no other claimants appeared to be in the building 
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    Ani D. · 1 years ago
    The automatic door dividing the waiting area from the assessment rooms was "broken." Impulsively, I yanked it open and shouted ın pain because it trigged my hand injury. The assessor exchanged a gleeful glance with the receptionist and later wrote that I had full use of my damaged hand. 

    I dropped my walking stick at one point. I struggled to get it myself using my feet to bring it within reach. She wrote: "Refused to pick up her walking stick when it fell".

    In fact, everything I failed to do, she either said I "refused" to do it, or she ignored it. When I broke down crying, I saw her deliberately turn her head away so she wouldn't see it. Instead, she wrote that I could not have depression because I returned her smile upon introduction.

    My advice: Don't be polite; they will just turn it against you.


     
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    Ashley · 1 years ago
    My asseror was trying to rush me into the room but it made no difference cause I could not do it she then asked me to touch my toes I fell over she never offered to help me get up I was crying with pain and she still asked me if I could hold on to the desk and them try stand on my tip toes my partner who was with me at the time lost his temper then and told her no more my review wS done paper based as I have a bad stammer and tge lady on the phone was struggling with understanding me so she sent it to paper review instead but when we got the points back I was awarded zero for communication so we called tgem and asked for a copy of the report 10 weeks later we got a phone call out of the blue at 7.30 in the morning a lady asking why o wanted my report and that I was no going to be given any more money so if I was thinking of logging an Mr I should think again we told her that it was to late to logg MR cause they have taken to long to send the report but that the points awarded are still incorrect she said that if someone was patient they would get the jist of what I was saying g so there for no points for communication is correct told her we were going g to report the call and log a complaint she refused to give her name and hung up 2 days later we got the report and it showed the dwp had ignored the report all together 
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    Aurora · 1 years ago
    Going back 6 yrs - Intentionally disregarding  a request for Audio-recording - which was confirmed beforehand - then "not available" on arrival. So, of course, test report included "exercises" which didn't happen plus false statements. Considering women were asked to do leg-raises, they should've been warned beforehand to wear suitable clothing (I had a skirt on). No 'update' to me when 45 min delay after appt. time reached - by which time I needed the loo. Was told I had to go next door to Benefits Agency. The Security Guard there told me they were permanently closed due to claimants "shooting up"!. Back up next door, they told me I had to just "wait" 'til I was called through - where staff member took me to staff loos and stood outside the door whilst I went. Some claimants could've had, e.g. a Colostomy bag, Total lack of human rights/dignity!  I'd paid for 2 hrs. parking, putting pressure on me to continue without Audio but, following their delay, the assessor just "made up" statements to later questions. When I told her I could get a parking ticket (my 2 hrs was up) she just rushed through a few more Q's.  I made a formal complaint raising multiple issues to both DWP and CHDA. DWP just showed contempt - by not even acknowledging it, let alone replying!
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