A final word

We'll be following up on all of this over the coming days and weeks and clarifying changes to the WCA as they become clearer. 

But having read the comments below, we'd just like to clarify that what the DWP appear to be saying is that if you are currently in the support group for ESA or the LCWRA group for UC then you will never be assessed again unless you report a change in your condition or you are suspected of fraud. 

The only exception to this is people who have LCWRA/support group status because of pregnancy or cancer treatment, as these are expected to be short-term.

If you are migrated from ESA to UC in the future, this won't make a difference because you are not reassessed as part of the migration process.

We don't know what affect the proposed abolition of the WCA might have on all of this. But that is a Conservative proposal which is an awfully long way from becoming a reality and it may well not survive first contact with an incoming government.  It's definitely not something to lose sleep over for a good few years.

In the meantime, after all the menace and rumour in the media over recent weeks, we hope this allows many of our readers to feel a little reassured tonight.


Most people with LCWRA will never face a WCA reassessment again

The DWP response to the WCA consultation says that most people who have been assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity will never have to be assessed again. 

The DWP say

. . . we will bring forward a new offer - a Chance to Work Guarantee for existing claimants on UC and ESA with LCWRA. This change will be effective from 2025, at the same time as WCA changes are introduced. This change will in effect abolish the WCA for the vast majority of this group, bringing forward a key element of our White Paper proposals and giving people the confidence to try work.

9. These changes will mean that almost all people who are currently assessed as having LCWRA will never face a WCA reassessment again. Reassessments will only take place under very limited circumstances, which are:

  • When a claimant reports a change of circumstances in their health condition;
  • If a claimant has been awarded LCWRA for pregnancy risk, or cancer treatment where the prognosis for recovery is expected to be short-term;
  • If a claimant has been declared as having LCWRA under the new risk provisions; and
  • In cases of suspected fraud.

10. For the overwhelming majority of existing UC claimants, this is a guarantee that they will not be reassessed if they try work, and it does not work out. ESA claimants undertaking permitted work will also not be reassessed. Therefore, for both groups, we will remove the barrier that trying work may mean they lose their LCWRA entitlement

 DWP response to the WCA consultation published

The DWP response to the WCA consultation has now been published.  They received 1,348 responses, which appear to have been overwhelmingly negative.

No changes will be made to:

Coping with social engagement

Continence


DWP say most existing claimants will not be affected

The DWP say in their press release that the new changes will not be introduced until 2025 and that most existing claimants will not be affected:

"These changes will not affect existing claimants whose circumstances remain the same, reflecting the need to ensure a continuity of service for them, and will mean that these claimants will not lose money as a result of the changes."

Elsewhere, they add:

  • Under these changes, most existing claimants on health benefits will not need to be re-assessed with a new Work Capability Assessment. Re-assessments will only take place under limited circumstances, which are:

    When a claimant reports a change of circumstances in their health condition;

    If a claimant has been awarded LCWRA for pregnancy risk, or cancer treatment where the prognosis for recovery is expected to be short-term;

    In cases of suspected fraud.

Changes to the substantial risk rule

In their consultation on WCA changes in September, the DWP suggested that the substantial risk rule could be changed as follows:

Alter the rule so that it would not apply where a person could take part in tailored or a minimal level of work preparation activity and/or where reasonable adjustments could be put in place to enable that person to engage with work preparation.

This appears to be what the DWP is now planning to do.


Getting about

The current points for 'Getting about' are shown below. These are to be reduced although we don't know what to yet:

15. Getting about

 15 (a) Cannot get to any place outside the claimant’s home with which the claimant is familiar.  15 points 

15 (b) Is unable to get to a specified place with which the claimant is familiar, without being accompanied by another person 9 points

15 (c) Is unable to get to a specified place with which the claimant is unfamiliar without being accompanied by another person.  6 points

 15 (d) None of the above apply.  0 points


The removed mobilising descriptors

It appears that the DWP plan to stop the following mobilising descriptors allowing claimants to be places in the support/LCWRA group.  These descriptors will still score 15 points for the purposes of limited capability for work, but will not allow access to the support/LCWRA group:

1.  Mobilising unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid is normally, or could reasonably be, worn or used.

Cannot either:

(i)  mobilise more than 50 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion

or

(ii)  repeatedly mobilise 50 metres within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion.


 Changes to the WCA revealed  

A DWP press release has set out the changes they plan to make to the WCA:

  1. Remove the ‘Mobilising’ part of the assessment that currently places people into a group where no work preparation is required – this will reflect that many of the claimants with these issues in the modern world of work will be able to undertake some work or work preparation with the right support
  2. Amend the regulations that determine whether mental health issues are assessed as putting claimants at ‘Substantial Risk’ if they are required to undertake any level of work preparation - these amendments will realign the regulations with the original intention of applying only in exceptional circumstances, whilst still protecting and safeguarding the most vulnerable
  3. Reduce the points awarded for some of the Limited Capability for Work (LCW) ‘getting about’ descriptors, reflecting the rise of flexible and home working opportunities in modern workplaces.

Over 90% of people denied LCWRA will not move into work

Although the Chancellor announced today that there will be changes to the WCA, we don't know which of the changes set out in their consultation in September they have decided to adopt.

What we do know, however, thanks to the Office for Budget responsibility. is that the claims that the changes are to help people move into work are bogus.

The OBR has published its estimate of the changes to the incapacity caseload as a result of WCA reform.

By 2028/29 they estimate that there will be: 

315,000 fewer people in the UC LCWRA group

56,000 fewer in the ESA support group

Making a total of 371,000 fewer people who get incapacity benefits without having any work related conditions.

But at the same time, they estimate that as a result there will be:

290,000 more people on LCW UC 

51,000 more people in the ESA WRAG 

Making a total increase of 342,000 (possibly some rounding) who have conditions applied to their benefit.

 

 

So, the OBR are expecting around 29,000 people, just 8% of claimants who are denied LCWRA/support group, to actually move off benefits as a result.  The other 92% will stay on incapacity benefits but just be around £400 a month worse off and subject to sanctions.

Thanks to Tom Pollard for tweeting about this.


 

Half a million people to be offered mental health treatment

The chancellor says they will halve the flow of people signed off work with no work search requirements:

Over 180,000 more people will be helped through the Universal Support programme and nearly 500,000 people will be offered treatment for mental health conditions and employment support. 

Over the forecast period, the OBR judge these measures will more than halve the flow of people who are signed off work with no work search requirements.

At the same time we’ll provide a further £1.3 billion of funding to offer extra help to the 300,000 people who have been unemployed for over a year without any sickness or disability.

But we will ask for something in return.

If, after 18 months of intensive support, jobseekers have not found a job, we’ll roll out a programme requiring them to take part in mandatory work placements to increase their skills and improve their employability.

And if they choose not to engage with the work search process for six months, we will close their case and stop their benefits.

Taken together with the labour supply measures I have announced in the spring, the OBR say we will increase the number of people in work by around 200,000 at the end of the forecast period,  permanently increasing the size of the economy.


WCA to be 'reformed'

The chancellor confirmed that changes are to be made to the work capability assessment (WCA) and to the fit note process, though no further details were given about the precise changes to the WCA.

The Chancellor said:

Every year we sign off over 100,000 people onto benefits with no requirement to look for work, because of sickness or disability.

That waste of potential is wrong economically and wrong morally.

So, with the secretary of state for work and pensions, I announced our back to work plan. 

We will reform the fit note process so that treatment rather than time off becomes the default.

We will reform the work capability assessment to reflect greater flexibility and availability of homeworking after the pandemic.

And we’ll spend £1.3 billion over the next 5 years to help nearly 700,000 people with health conditions find jobs.


LCWRA element of Universal Credit (UC) from April 2024

We've calculated the 6.7% uprating for the LCWRA element of Universal Credit for next April as follows:

LCWRA element of UC up from £390.06 by £26.13 to £416.19


PIP rates from April 2024

We've calculated the 6.7% uprating for PIP for next April as follows:

Daily living standard rate up from £68.10 by £4.56 to £72.66

Daily living enhanced rate up from £101.75 by £6.82 to £108.57

Mobility standard rate up from £26.90 by £1.80 to £28.70

Mobility enhanced rate up from £71.00 by £4.76 to £75.76


Pensions triple lock maintained

 

The Chancellor announced that from April 24th "we will increase the full new state pension by 8.5% to £221.20 a week, worth up to £900 more a year."


Local Housing Allowance to be unfrozen

The Chancellor announced that he will "increase the Local Housing Allowance (LHA) to the 30th percentile of local market rents.  This will give 1.6 million households an average of £800 of support."


Benefits to be uprated by September CPI

Good news on uprating.  The chancellor has confirmed that in April 2024 benefits will be uprated by September's Consumer Prices Index (CPI) rate of inflation, which stood at 6.7%.  There had been speculation that benefits would be uprated by the lower October rate.


Autumn statement updates

The Chancellor delivers his Autumn statement at around 12.30pm on 22 November 2023.

Benefits and Work will be providing updates on this page on how the Autumn statement affects claimants, as information becomes available.

In the meantime, heavy hints are being dropped by the government about what may be in it.

Claimants in LCWRA may have to look for work from home

A number of media outlets are suggesting that claimants who are in the Limited Capability for Work-Related Activity (LCWRA) group will be required to look for work they can do at home or lose the LCWRA element, worth £4,680 a year. 

This is likely to be a follow up on the consultation on changes to the work capability assessment (WCA), which took place in September.

If this does go ahead, it is unlikely to happen before the next general election and so may be cancelled by an incoming government.

Cut in benefits uprating

Benefits are normally uprated in April by the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) rate for the previous September.

But there have been numerous suggestions that benefits may be uprated by the lower CPI rate for October 2023 of 4.7% rather than the September rate which was higher at  6.7%.

This may apply to UC and ESA but may not apply to PIP.

Back To Work Plan

We already know quite a lot about the ‘Back to Work’ plan which involves tougher sanctions and mandatory work placements for some UC claimants.  More details may be released as part of the Autumn statement.

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    Kevin · 1 months ago
    Hi I am on ESA home support I got to be assessed in 2025 I suffer with PTSD severe anxiety and depression agoraphobic don't leave home without mum will my assessment be new style
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    tinycat · 2 months ago
    can someone answer me this please, im in the support group for esa, when im migrated to uc will i automatically get lwcra cos ive read on some sites that you do
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      Gambolputty · 2 months ago
      @tinycat Yes you do get it automatically. I did when I swapped over 2 years ago, that was for a change in circumstance as I moved house. It does have the guidelines about it in amongst all the other benefits info on the .gov site, but it's a pain in the proverbial reading through it all. 

      I'd advise (when the change happens) mentioning it on your journal (this was advice the DWP gave me when I was migrating) but it's all done automatically. 
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    Sancta Mikele revisit. · 2 months ago
    I am trying to see my days out,with severe polyneuropathy,nystagmus,more,yet I am raging.I simply put,put myself on high alert,boxing gloves off.I envisage a self defence mode,until I let anyone who abuses Me,take cover.There has been too many lovely,caring lost souls,killed via WCA,our garbage Gov,and it's vile employees.Too many times I read of a blind man being sent for,or anyone has mental or physical illness.We or I will not dare to spark off until I deem,defend,disgusting UK utter Evil.I won't Cower in fear,or plain statement as an ex worker,do not encroach on my Legal Declaration in Human Rights and some Tory muppet.I will get retribution.Big Time.




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    Andrea. Jones · 2 months ago
    The work placement was tried uears ago by david Cameron it didnt work as no prove people actually got jobs out of it so it was scrapped. Whats different now is there now forceing people to go placements or loose benifits. Sanctions dont work  never will. All the torres are doing is pushing more people into povertyand more people killing themselves. In humane

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      Mighty Mouse · 2 months ago
      @tinycat None of them have a clue how to re-build the economic structure where uk once had millions of jobs in manufacturing. Now a bygone age for the UK, where once people worked hard, earned , could save some money and live a somewhat comfortable life.

      This latest idealism will backfire on them bigtime and the joke is, the tax payers paying the bill to the cost of billions per year, as they roll out more of these farcical schemes. But the Tory sheep are all far more content on ''look over there at all the scum bag unemployed pretending to be sick''.

      I for one cant wait to see the look upon employers faces, when they have all these people turning up at their premises, clearly not fit for purpose and the legalities which will come, brought by unwell and vulnerable people being put in a high risk position causing damage to their health based on nothing but a hunch.Not least the damage the employee could cause inadvertently due to their poor health. Or maybe I am missing something here ?


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      tinycat · 2 months ago
      @Andrea. Jones didnt labor try that to even earlier with that new deal thing for people
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    tinycat · 2 months ago
    if you are currently in the support group for ESA or the LCWRA group for UC then you will never be assessed again unless you report a change in your condition or you are suspected of fraud.

    If you are migrated from ESA to UC in the future, this won't make a difference because you are not reassessed as part of the migration process.

    taken from the final word section posted, is this true cos im in esa support group been in it for many years and never been assed or reasesed


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    tinycat · 2 months ago
    Amend the regulations that determine whether mental health issues are assessed as putting claimants at ‘Substantial Risk’ if they are required to undertake any level of work preparation - these amendments will realign the regulations with the original intention of applying only in exceptional circumstances, whilst still protecting and safeguarding the most vulnerable

    what does this mean?
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      Mighty Mouse · 2 months ago
      @tinycat Yes, they have a bee in their head that says 'if someone is not taking prescribed medication in the form of anti D's etc, then their all good to go.'

      Anyone with MH problems will appreciate that's a bunch of crap. But dont forget, they know best. roll eyes.

      Their terminology of using 'exceptional and most vulnerable' applied where it suits imo, is very open to debate, as many find that out when questioning them.
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    A · 2 months ago
    On this so-called welfare reform, the Tories are much better than the Labour.

    The Tories are saying that most of people who have been assessed already won't face any reassessment in the future and any move into work is voluntary.

    While the Labour are saying that only those who move into work will not face reassessment. 
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      Cemily · 2 months ago
      @A
      While the Labour are saying that only those who move into work will not face reassessment. 

      hi can you give a source for this? have they commented on this specifically? if so can you point me to where pls
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    LWatki · 2 months ago
    Hi is anyone able to tell me if I will be affected please. I was awarded LCWRA and PIP daily living element. in June 2023 for PTSD and Bipolar
     My PIP is up for renewal in June 2026. 

    Will I be affected by the change as I am an 'existing claimant'. 
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      Jill · 2 months ago
      @LWatki No,it's for new claims only u have already been awarded 
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      Lee · 2 months ago
      @LWatki @LWatki Very early days nobody really knows yet see if labour wins the election in 2024 and see what they have to say as an existing claimant looks like gonna be ok as it for new claims and for reassessments they well behind at the moment so in the short term for now gonna be ok In the long term will have to see all the details 
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    Bob · 3 months ago
    The government have known about the assessment WC assessment face to face .  The system needed changing years ago but nothing has been done. So they blame the sick and disabled they don't live in the real world have no idea what's it's like to have to decide whether to eat or put heating on.  I've been homeless and it's not a live choice.  Let them swap places.   
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    tinycat · 3 months ago
    https://www.scope.org.uk/news-and-stories/how-the-2023-autumn-statement-will-affect-disabled-people/  looks like mainstream media put its scaremongery spin on things again after reading it from places that actually care about people (such as the link above)who a re physically or mentally ill
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    Paul · 3 months ago
    Will this affect people who work and get pip as well I work part time and get pip but don’t get ESA or Universal Credit can someone please answer this question for me please 
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      badger · 3 months ago
      @Paul PIP isn't affected at all by the latest changes
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      James h · 3 months ago
      @Paul @paul if you not on esa or universal credit and just work part time then no it shouldn’t effect you that is between you and the pip that you are working and how it affects your health 
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    lorraine · 3 months ago
    Hi I'm currently on esa support group and pip but i'm planning on moving to a different council area next year to be nearer my sister for support. i will be forced to make a new claim for UC because of a change of circumstances not in my health but housing. will i be classed as a new claim and be forced to look for work or will i still be an old claim and be assessed on that. It's really confusing. thanks
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      Jill · 2 months ago
      @lorraine I read it will be for new claims from April 2025
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      Gambolputty · 2 months ago
      @badger You do get transitional protection for the Severe Disability Premium, not the (I think it's called) Enhanced one if you're on PIP as well. I did mine a couple of years ago and received the transitional protection. But that has tapered away with rises to base rates. 

      At the time of tranfer it was worth £120, but since the rises in UC since then it's now tapered down to about £30, so I've not seen any cash rise. Assuming the SDP is still the same amount now as it was in 2021, it should be £120 on top of the LCWRA/standard/housing elements. 
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      A · 3 months ago
      @lorraine Usually, reassessment is (or used to be) required when a claimant reports a change of circumstances in their health condition and not change of constituency or borough.
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      A · 3 months ago
      @lorraine No, you won't be considered a new claimant. Neither will you necessarily be reassessed simply because you've moved to another constituency. You'll just need to notify them of your new address and carry on as usual.

      Hope this gives you a bit of peace of mind. Amen.
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      Rev X - One Man Show · 3 months ago
      @lorraine Change of address doesn't mean a new claim, but as you are on ESA I'd say it will be just a transfer to UC under the legacy benefit changes already underway.
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    Paul · 3 months ago
    What about people who work and get pip will this affect people like me I work part time and get pip but don’t get ESA or Universal Credit
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    ay · 3 months ago
    there goalpost are invisible, they cant be trusted.
    para 8 seems to  say all in lcwra  will be forced.
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    Carol K · 3 months ago
    Is the Chance to Work Guarantee voluntary or will we be pushed into it? I don't trust the DWP at all. 
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      James h · 3 months ago
      @Carol K Hi Carol it will be voluntary but at some point I would imagine their will be a work focused interview and that could be mandatory
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    tinycat · 3 months ago
    if, after 18 months of intensive support, jobseekers have not found a job, we’ll roll out a programme requiring them to take part in mandatory work placements to increase their skills and improve their employability.

    And if they choose not to engage with the work search process for six months, we will close their case and stop their benefits.

     this is what worrys me as i have adhd and aspergers syndrome and hear voices in my head i also have very bad paranoia and social anxiety and take anti depressants and anti psychotics, ive always struggled in these group based situations, this new work program is forced slavery and will not go through and labor tried this ages ago with new deal which also failed, how am i supposed to get a job with mental illnesses with zero qualifications, mental health support is not great in any workplace in this country as they would hire someone who doesnt need support over me.
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    Peter · 3 months ago
    I'm very confused. Are existing lcwra claimants safe from being forced to work/job searches from 2025? Like others on this forum I'm extremely stressed and not slept for days since I heard the autumn statement rumours
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      John · 2 months ago
      @Ibubble @Ibubble I’m sorry I don’t know much about pip I’m more of an esa kinda man don’t expect much though my friend passed her medical back in January and still not sorted her claim out so she in for a skint Xmas in realation  to your question I don’t think you will unless it was some kind of backdated appeal or a tribunal I could get pip for autistic spectrum but I not bothering to much of a shambles nowadays 
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      Ibubble · 2 months ago
      @John Hi John I have just had my pip go up does that mean it will be backdated to the start of my claim. It’s gone up from 272 to 315???
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      John · 2 months ago
      @A EDWARDS @A EDWARDS you are right what you have just said it’s turned into such a shambles even if labour do get in they will still want to get lcwra in for interviews and do job search although the sanctions may be be as punitive as Tory plans by it looks like the days of being left alone are finishing I’m gonna see what I’m gonna do when I get my migration letter for esa I to plan to walk away from it all although I might still have to use the rotten system in some way for the rent 
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      A EDWARDS · 2 months ago
      @badger I have spent hours reading the dwps own explanation of this,as well as other news from disability services,it really does not make it clear at all exactly what's going  to happen to us already in the system,it doesn't even mention contribution esa/ uc at all,all it says is that " we are committed to still providing benefits through a contributionary route but nothing more, it does not say they will not reassess current claimants,it says most will not have to undergo a wca under the new proposals,so what happens to everyone due an assessment between now and 2025,I see people are still currently recieving esa forms as I've just checked forum posts,this is mad,they lean towards saying no more assessments then snatch it back in another wording of a paragraph,it is clear though that they Intend to get people on esa/ uc lcwra now,back to work,it looks like there will be very very few of us not expected to engage in some form.what a nightmare,I will end up probably walking away from esa and just sticking with the pip,I can't see any other way,I can not engage with it as I am very agoraphobic and have been for 26 years,now I also have physical stuff but it's always been ignored at assessment.
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      MrFibro · 3 months ago
      @Peter Peter,

      I think its going to take quite some time for the DWP to get this up and running, that's why they said around 2025.  And even then it will be full of flaws, and of no advantage to claimants at all, all except the DWP's.

      Whoever dreamt all of this up has absolutely no sense of reality, they are in total denial.
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    Liz · 3 months ago
    I only claim pip. Will this be changed or taken away? I don’t claim any other benefits. 
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    LilacGem · 3 months ago
    Re the statement that people "currently in the LCWRA or SG will not ever have to be reassessed again". I would like 2 important points to be clarified, would appreciate it if anyone knows for certain;

    1)What does "currently" mean? 
     
    OR 

    Knowing the DWP it will be the latter. But it does say 'currently' which is defined as 'at the present time'.  

    I am due for reassessment in Feb/March next yr (2024) so am really wondering whether that will happen or not, particularly as i have to start preparing for it now as carer's time is limited & i need her to do other things, like washing my hair for example. So knowing that would be very helpful. I dont want to get my hopes up that the horror and severe mental unwellness thats provoked by assessment isnt going to happen, only to find i was wrong.

    2) Is this 'never be reassessed again' thing going to be conditional on taking up this ''offer'' to try work without being penalised if it doesnt work out.

    DWP have a habit of being disingenuous so i am suspicious that 'currently' doesnt mean at the present time as it should to any literate person, and that 'offer' will in effect not be an 'offer' but a condition.

    I hope this amazing site & the people who run it will be able to clarify these points in the days/wks to come. 
    B&W = suicide prevention, you have definitely saved people's lives, you saved mine. Will be forever grateful.
     


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      Mighty Mouse · 2 months ago
      @Gambolputty Its incredible the mentality of it all. 'Your now working and no longer disabled.' Look! work has cured you. Because, all work is good for you. Are they insane!
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      Mighty Mouse · 2 months ago
      @LilacGem And anyone know what happens to people currently on just LCW, are they to be reassessed before 2025, after or anytime the DWP feel like it ?
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      LilacGem · 2 months ago
      @Gambolputty In addition, someone just pointed this out to me: from the same document but point 8... which appears to contradict point 9! 

      8. We want claimants who have already been assessed as having LCWRA to be able to engage with support to move towards work without the fear of reassessment. As such, we will bring forward a new offer - a Chance to Work Guarantee for existing claimants on UC and ESA with LCWRA. This change will be effective from 2025, at the same time as WCA changes are introduced. This change will in effect abolish the WCA for the vast majority of this group, bringing forward a key element of our White Paper proposals and giving people the confidence to try work. 9. These changes will mean that almost all people who are currently assessed as having LCWRA will never face a WCA reassessment again. Reassessments will only take place under very limited circumstances, which are:

      So again they contradict themselves!..... In point 8 its saying the change that abolishes the reassessments for the LCWRA will not come into force until 2025, (along with the rest of the changes)... And yet in point 9 it says that people who are 'currently assessed as' will never have another reassessment.

      WHICH DO THEY MEAN?! AGGHHH!
      :-D
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      LilacGem · 2 months ago
      @A @A In your first sentence did you mean 'also apply once the changes come into force' there... rather than 'until'? 
      Current means at the present time. But According to their wording, the exemption of reassessment would also apply until the changes come into force. Therefore, to me, it's for both.
      Sorry bit confused.

      So you're saying your interpretation is that it means both now and once the changes have come into force? Thats why it appears contradictory, because they mean both?
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      LilacGem · 2 months ago
      @Gambolputty Thanks, Gambolputty.... it just feels too good to be true.

      There was something written on the letter when i got my initial claim (in 2012), that said reassessment was due in 2 yrs time(although irritatingly i cant find it now it did mention it). And it did happen exactly 2 yrs later in 2014, just as they said it would.

      After that assessment i rang for the next reassessment due date & they again said it was due exactly 2yrs later (2016), & hey presto I got the form exactly 2 yrs later... just as they said it would.  

      Then i rang & was given Feb 2018 - exactly 2 yrs later again.... So i assumed it would be like the previous times. Because the process takes so much out of me & i have to start prepping 2 mnths beforehand, i did ring them the month before to confirm it still going ahead & they said yes.
      But when the form didnt arrive by mid feb we rang, and the due date had magically changed to 2020, with no reason given - i didnt like to 'poke the bear' so i didnt press for a reason in case it was a mistake in my favour - lol didnt want them to correct it!!. 

      Then exactly the same thing happened in again in 2020 (rang in jan & they confirmed yes its feb 2020, then when form didnt arrive we rang & same thing had happened & it had been magically changed to 2022.

      Then an identical thing happened in 2022!...

      So as @A recommends i would love to simply enjoy my Christmas & forget about it, but if it DOES happen as they say is planned (- like it did in 2014 & 16), then i will be in big trouble because it takes me 2-3 months to do it & of course with the postage you only have 2-3wks to do it once the form arrives, & it takes me that long to even get the GP letter never mind anything else!  

      So its a dilemma, i wish i could have it confirmed by an official source that it does actually mean those with a LCWRA category now wont be reassessed again, rather than 
      "Following the implementation of these changes, reassessments for people who have LCWRA will only take place under very limited circumstances..."

      Because that is a contradiction, & i've never known a DWP contradiction to work in the claimant's favour before!

      But i am very grateful to you & everyone who has commented, it is encouraging. 

      But i feel like i have no choice but to ruin my next 2 months with reassessment prep, until somebody like B&W or CAB clarify that contradiction & confirm that any planned reassessments for those in the ESA SG wont now take place. I dont want to get caught unprepared.

       
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    Mish · 3 months ago
    I'm so confused. Does this mean someone on ESA in the WRAG group will be sanctioned for not being able to work? I should have been in the Support Group but after going to tribunal just to get my benefits reinstated I didn't have the health to then fight to be put in the Support Group 
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      M shirker · 3 months ago
      @Mish @Mish Me to I’m the same as you esa wrag should of been in support but somebody from Dwp lost my medical records I heard from nobody since 2018 all this is very complicated so I’m just going with the flow and if you are in the wrag group you can get sanctioned already if you don’t go to an interview 
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